AMIE (India) Engineers' recognition in Canada
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Posted on: 27-09-10 11:49:34
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Originally posted by chcool
In a way, canadian companies do not recognize canadian universities curriculam or thier teaching methods, examination methods or awards. They accept only professional engineers ontario as proper exam centres !!!
Any body say no?
I believe you are new to Canada, I can totally understand your frustration and I completely sympathise with you.
Having said that, what PEO looks for is 4 years of experience in addition to a recognised degree. As any working engineer knows, life in workplace is totally different from life in university. You almost toss your engineering books and learn management and communication skills, which are not taught in university, especially not in Indian universities. Communication skills are very important when dealing with clients or vendors.
PEO also has 5 basic criteria and looks how an engineer applies all those five skills to their everyday work. This ultimately ensures that a professional's engineer's work is reliable.
A prime example - I bet no engineer/architect would be penalised for the foot bridge collapse in India. If same thing was to happen in Canada, I bet the engineer who did the calculations for that bridge would lose his sleep.
So take a deep breath, take time to settle down and keep looking for job while dealing with setbacks - an integral part of any person's life.
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You see the difference here. Indian companies recognize Indian universities and their awards like BE, ME etc. The companies take them as trainees give them 6 months to 1 yr training, properly mould them and make them as professional engineers. They call them as trainee engineer then after successful completion of training, they will be caled as engineer.
In canada, the canadian companies do not accept canadian universities and their awards like B Eng, M Eng ( !! ) etc. and they dont call them as engineers (!! )
They look for P Eng which is not taught in universities but prepared to accept them as engineers.
In a way, canadian companies do not recognize canadian universities curriculam or thier teaching methods, examination methods or awards. They accept only professional engineers ontario as proper exam centres !!!
Any body say no?
Sorry, I differ.
Canadian companies DO recognize Canadian Engineering education. Once a fresh Engineer gets hired by a company, they could be called an Engineer and be designated as the same. However, the key difference is the addition of the word 'Professional'. You can not add it to your designation unless you pass the 'P.Engg' exam.
So you see, Cdn. Employers do recognize Cdn. Engineers whether or not you are a 'P.Engg.'. I can substantiate it as I have a couple of cousins and friends who are not yet P.Engg but are designated as 'Engineers' by the companies that hired them right after the school. These companies also include Crown Corps.
In India there is no concept of 'P.Engg', hence no comparison. It is however, beneficial to the immigrant Enginners as it helps them a great deal in getting employed in Canada at par with the locally educated kid.
AMIE is different though. It is primarily for the people who could not get admission to the Engg due to various reasons, or want to study while working. It is equivalent to BE/B.Tech and the holder of such could apply for the same Engineering jobs (including Govt.) as well as Masters level education as any B.E/B.Tech holder. Nothing similar is available in Canada the last I checked. My experince working with both implies that AMIE people are more knowledgeable than regular BE/B.Techs.
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Any body say no?
Most of us.
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Originally posted by meghal
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Originally posted by chcool
In a way, canadian companies do not recognize canadian universities curriculam or thier teaching methods, examination methods or awards. They accept only professional engineers ontario as proper exam centres !!!
Any body say no?
I believe you are new to Canada, I can totally understand your frustration and I completely sympathise with you.
My answer : It is not coming out of rustration, i am talking of the facts in canada.
Having said that, what PEO looks for is 4 years of experience in addition to a recognised degree. As any working engineer knows, life in workplace is totally different from life in university. You almost toss your engineering books and learn management and communication skills, which are not taught in university, especially not in Indian universities. Communication skills are very important when dealing with clients or vendors.
My answer : This is exactly what i said. The canadian employers do not trust curriculam taught in canadian universities and also the exam methods. In inida as i said it is otherway. The vendor communication, management skills etc comes in workplace for a new engineer. No one can beat work place experience. Now tell me which is correct? Candian PEO or Indian work place experience?
PEO also has 5 basic criteria and looks how an engineer applies all those five skills to their everyday work. This ultimately ensures that a professional's engineer's work is reliable.
My answer : That means canadian curriculam is not full, PEO is required to make a person as full engineer.
A prime example - I bet no engineer/architect would be penalised for the foot bridge collapse in India. If same thing was to happen in Canada, I bet the engineer who did the calculations for that bridge would lose his sleep.
My answer : You are mixing politics and profession. In India company takes responsibility for wrong calculations. In canada, it looks indivedual is fired !! not the company. Where is the so called management then ?
So take a deep breath, take time to settle down and keep looking for job while dealing with setbacks - an integral part of any person's life.
My answer : Setbacks have been every immigrated desi's part of life here to do a professional job ??
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Originally posted by febpreet
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You see the difference here. Indian companies recognize Indian universities and their awards like BE, ME etc. The companies take them as trainees give them 6 months to 1 yr training, properly mould them and make them as professional engineers. They call them as trainee engineer then after successful completion of training, they will be caled as engineer.
In canada, the canadian companies do not accept canadian universities and their awards like B Eng, M Eng ( !! ) etc. and they dont call them as engineers (!! )
They look for P Eng which is not taught in universities but prepared to accept them as engineers.
In a way, canadian companies do not recognize canadian universities curriculam or thier teaching methods, examination methods or awards. They accept only professional engineers ontario as proper exam centres !!!
Any body say no?
Canadian companies DO recognize Canadian Engineering education. Once a fresh Engineer gets hired by a company, they could be called an Engineer and be designated as the same. However, the key difference is the addition of the word 'Professional'. You can not add it to your designation unless you pass the 'P.Engg' exam.
So you see, Cdn. Employers do recognize Cdn. Engineers whether or not you are a 'P.Engg.'. I can substantiate it as I have a couple of cousins and friends who are not yet P.Engg but are designated as 'Engineers' by the companies that hired them right after the school. These companies also include Crown Corps.
My answer : What is the point. They are not professional by candian standard. In India the company who hired the fresh engineer represent and communicate with clients. As long as the letter goes with company seal it is accepted, the client do not see who communicated
In India there is no concept of 'P.Engg', hence no comparison. It is however, beneficial to the immigrant Enginners as it helps them a great deal in getting employed in Canada at par with the locally educated kid.
My answer : In canada, companies do not hire forighn educated engineers and they look for P Eng. Whereas one can not get P Eng untill he works for a company. This is a biggest set back for a professional. It means when a professional arrive in canada, he has to work as technician... sorry, he can not work even as technician b'cos there is certification required. May be he has to do a labour job and ............and labour job.............. and finally endup with labour job. lol.
AMIE is different though. It is primarily for the people who could not get admission to the Engg due to various reasons, or want to study while working. It is equivalent to BE/B.Tech and the holder of such could apply for the same Engineering jobs (including Govt.) as well as Masters level education as any B.E/B.Tech holder. Nothing similar is available in Canada the last I checked. My experince working with both implies that AMIE people are more knowledgeable than regular BE/B.Techs.
My answer : Even AMIE is hired equivalent to engineers in india and the company moulds them, just fantastic, is it not? Just think of canada what is happening here?
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Originally posted by chcool
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Any body say no?
Most of us.
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