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Originally posted by febpreet
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Originally posted by web2000
How many of u think that life of refugees be better here than PR/Citizen? You people looking at one side of the coin.
Who cares about how these refugees live here afterwords?
It matters a lot. If it does not then why the people should wait 5 years to get PR legally? If u don't differentiate between legal PR and getting PR through refugee status then I don't think thousands of those who are standing in waiting queue to become PR are idiots.
Location: British Columbia
Posted on: 13-08-10 15:47:58
I have mixed feelings but here is some information from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_Relating_to_the_Status_of_Refugees
The United Nations Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees is an international convention that defines who is a refugee, and sets out the rights of individuals who are granted asylum and the responsibilities of nations that grant asylum. The convention also sets out which people do not qualify as refugees, such as war criminals. The Convention also provides for some visa-free travel for holders of travel documents issued under the convention.
(note, India and Pakistan are one of the few countries that are not parties to this convention)
A refugee is one who:
"A person who owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality and is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country; or who, not having a nationality and being outside the country of his former habitual residence as a result of such events, is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to return to it.."[3]
(We are lucky that our parents/families in India are likely not in this position. So even though our gripes are legitimate for us, there are people in far worse situations.)
It also says:
In the general principle of international law, treaties in force are binding upon the parties to it and must be performed in good faith. Countries that have ratified the Refugee Convention are obliged to protect refugees that are on their territory, in accordance with its terms.
A refugee's right to be protected against forcible return, or refoulement, is set out in the 1951 Convention relating to the Status of Refugees:
"No Contracting State shall expel or return ('refouler') a refugee in any manner whatsoever to the frontiers of territories where his life or freedom would be threatened on account of his race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social or political opinion" (Article 33(1)).[4]
It is widely accepted that the prohibition of forcible return is part of customary international law. This means that even States that are not party to the 1951 Refugee Convention must respect the principle of non-refoulement.[4] Therefore, States are obligated under the Convention and under customary international law to respect the principle of non-refoulement. If and when this principle is threatened, UNHCR can respond by intervening with relevant authorities, and if it deems necessary, will inform the public
I am not saying this system is not being abused by some. However there are those in genuine need.
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Originally posted by web2000
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Originally posted by febpreet
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Originally posted by web2000
How many of u think that life of refugees be better here than PR/Citizen? You people looking at one side of the coin.
Who cares about how these refugees live here afterwords?
It matters a lot. If it does not then why the people should wait 5 years to get PR legally? If u don't differentiate between legal PR and getting PR through refugee status then I don't think thousands of those who are standing in waiting queue to become PR are idiots.
I think I lost you here. Isn't this exactly my point? Please read again.
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Originally posted by morning_rain
I have mixed feelings but here is some information from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_Relating_to_the_Status_of_Refugees
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I am afraid, it's not about what have the countries signed or not. It's about the ligitimacy of such refugee claims in every few months or so. It's about the agony and frustration of the potential immigrants, and the sponsors like me who have to wait for about 5 years to get in here or to get our parents here. Even when we file for our parents with the complete documentation, it's rejected on the grounds (actually there are no grounds) that they would not return back when their visitor visa is expired.
And, then there are these ship loads of people who would never return, be subject to the public welfare system. Please keep in mind that majority of the people are fleeing Sri Lanka were once the terrorists. Thousands lost their lives back home (in Lanka) because of these very people - that include both, Tamilians and Sinhalese.
There's a reason Australia didn't let them enter their waters, although that country too is a signatory.
I have mixed feelings too.
I feel sad for the lankans going through tough/rough life.
At the same time there are many ppl who are leading a miserable life
want to come here but unfortunately they are denied entry or application takes forever.
What i feel is.....as Canada is a huge country and we have enough land we can surely welcome ppl however they should be sent to other provinces where there is less population.So entry should be allowed only if they agree to live in provinces like nova scotia,sask,new foundland,nunavut.That way population would be evenly distributed .
cheers
prince
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Originally posted by febpreet
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Originally posted by morning_rain
I have mixed feelings but here is some information from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_Relating_to_the_Status_of_Refugees
...............
I am afraid, it's not about what have the countries signed or not. It's about the ligitimacy of such refugee claims in every few months or so. It's about the agony and frustration of the potential immigrants, and the sponsors like me who have to wait for about 5 years to get in here or to get our parents here. Even when we file for our parents with the complete documentation, it's rejected on the grounds (actually there are no grounds) that they would not return back when their visitor visa is expired.
And, then there are these ship loads of people who would never return, be subject to the public welfare system. Please keep in mind that majority of the people are fleeing Sri Lanka were once the terrorists. Thousands lost their lives back home (in Lanka) because of these very people - that include both, Tamilians and Sinhalese.
There's a reason Australia didn't let them enter their waters, although that country too is a signatory.
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Why this hoopla over Tamil immigrants? I think Harpo is showing racist side of his agenda by whipping up fear over the terrorist and worries over refugees. Canada is full of refugees from all over the world. Nobody raises an eyebrow over Palestine refugees or bogus refugees from South American countries or Caribbean countries or Afghanistan. I am also little amused by the discussion. Millions of of refugees(?) stream over in India every year which has changed the demography of Assam and West Bengal and ultimately of India. Same is the case in USA with Hispanic refugees. Many countries in Asia notably Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia and Thailand have huge population of Chinese.
Nighmare....
your post gives lot of support for Shipping industry..............
The issue is not tamil or some other group's.............
how people are going to start missuse the system.............
I dont want to affend any group's feelings...................................
cmanyam
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