Delivering baby in UK vs Toronto (Canada) vs India
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Posted on: 06-03-11 16:46:27
UK is a part of the EU (http://europa.eu/about-eu/member-countries/index_en.htm). If you acquire UK citizenship before your child's birth, your child will be a UK citizen by descent, regardless of place of birth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_nationality_law#Children_born_abroad_after_1982_to_British_mothers_or_to_British_fathers_before_or_after_1983, please also check non-Wikipedia sources) By extension, they will also be European citizens, and will have the right to live and work anywhere in the EU. This means EU tuition will apply at all European universities, etc. This is an immense benefit to offer your child, as it is typically very difficult these days for desis to get European citizenship.
Your child will become a citizen of Canada by naturalization if you as Canadian PRs apply for Canadian citizenship, or by birthright if your child is born in Canada. It sounds like if you want to maximize the future opportunities available to your children, you should become UK citizens before having children, and either move to Canada, or also become Canadian citizens before your children are born.
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Originally posted by homer729
UK is a part of the EU (http://europa.eu/about-eu/member-countries/index_en.htm). If you acquire UK citizenship before your child's birth, your child will be a UK citizen by descent, regardless of place of birth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_nationality_law#Children_born_abroad_after_1982_to_British_mothers_or_to_British_fathers_before_or_after_1983, please also check non-Wikipedia sources) By extension, they will also be European citizens, and will have the right to live and work anywhere in the EU. This means EU tuition will apply at all European universities, etc. This is an immense benefit to offer your child, as it is typically very difficult these days for desis to get European citizenship.
Your child will become a citizen of Canada by naturalization if you as Canadian PRs apply for Canadian citizenship, or by birthright if your child is born in Canada. It sounds like if you want to maximize the future opportunities available to your children, you should become UK citizens before having children, and either move to Canada, or also become Canadian citizens before your children are born.
Thanks for your reply.
Agree with your EU benefit.
We will not be leaving UK without citizenship and CA is still long way to go, another 3-4 yrs after going back to ca.
We haven't registered to any hospitals/clinics/gp in ca, how quick will 5-6 months pregnant women will be able to use medical service without paying out of pocket, as I heard somewhere that it takes about 3 months to register to any hospital services.
If the child is born in UK after we get UK citizenship, will the baby require visa or passport to travel to Canada and how difficult is this to get.
What are the chances of child getting Indian Citizenship if in future we settle down in India but we don't give up UK/CA citizenship. Will the child get Indian Citizenship for the reason that parents are of Indian origin, we are aware that child has to give up UK/CA citizenship to get Indian Citizenship, if their is any route to IND citizenship. If Child can't get Indian Citizenship, what long term visa is available.
Thanks,
- Yes, you will only be eligible for a provincial health insurance plan in Canada upon staying in a province for 3 months continuously. There is no way I know around this. Until then, you will have to pay out of pocket. I can't imagine this will cost much more than a few thousand dollars for delivering your child, assuming there are no complications. This rule of 3 months applies even after you get Canadian citizenship. What I mean is that if you become a non-resident Canadian, you will not be eligible for free healthcare when you come back, until you have lived for at least 3 months in a province. This is to reduce the impact of \"Canadians of convenience\" on the health care system.
- If your child is born after you or your spouse acquire British citizen status (note: your child will be a UK citizen even if he/she is not born in UK, as long as either you or your spouse are UK citizens at the time of birth) and before you become Canadian, your child will not automatically become a Canadian PR and will not have an automatic right to reside in Canada. However, your child will be able to visit Canada temporarily under a British passport without a visa (http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/visit/visas.asp) You will have to sponsor your child to become a Canadian PR under the family class - dependent children status. Check here for processing times - http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/times/perm-fc.asp You will be able to apply for a Temporary Resident Visa for your child, if your child's British citizen status is not enough to allow him/her to continue living in Canada with you while you are waiting for the PR process to finish.
- If you and your spouse acquire UK citizenship before your child is born, your child is automatically eligible for OCI (Overseas Citizenship of India). Although confusingly named, OCI is neither dual citizenship nor dual nationality, but serves as a lifelong multiple-entry visa to India, together with the right to live and work in India indefinitely without seeking any permits. OCIs are not eligible to vote, and not eligible to serve in public office, and are NOT Indian citizens. However, upon living in India for a few years, an OCI can acquire Indian citizenship upon showing proof of renouncing foreign citizenships. Please see your Indian embassy website, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_Citizen_of_India#Overseas_citizenship_of_India for details.
Frankly, this seems like a no-brainer to me. Acquiring UK citizenship before your children are born is the only main thing you have to do. If you do not lose your Canadian PR status, it should be easy to sponsor your child for Canadian immigration. This will cost time and money, so it may be easier to move to Canada and have your kids there. Regardless, the relatively minor hospital expense should not be a high priority thing in your mind. Your child will always have the right to apply for OCI, and therefore live and work in India, therefore trying to maintain Indian citizenship at birth is not necessary and will not be the most prudent thing to do.
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Originally posted by homer729
- Yes, you will only be eligible for a provincial health insurance plan in Canada upon staying in a province for 3 months continuously. There is no way I know around this. Until then, you will have to pay out of pocket. I can't imagine this will cost much more than a few thousand dollars for delivering your child, assuming there are no complications. This rule of 3 months applies even after you get Canadian citizenship. What I mean is that if you become a non-resident Canadian, you will not be eligible for free healthcare when you come back, until you have lived for at least 3 months in a province. This is to reduce the impact of \"Canadians of convenience\" on the health care system.
-- This is true only in Ontario. In the provinces like Saskatchewan or Alberta, there is no waiting period of 3 months. You are covered immediately after landing or becoming resident of that province.
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Originally posted by cdn_dude
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Originally posted by homer729
- Yes, you will only be eligible for a provincial health insurance plan in Canada upon staying in a province for 3 months continuously. There is no way I know around this. Until then, you will have to pay out of pocket. I can't imagine this will cost much more than a few thousand dollars for delivering your child, assuming there are no complications. This rule of 3 months applies even after you get Canadian citizenship. What I mean is that if you become a non-resident Canadian, you will not be eligible for free healthcare when you come back, until you have lived for at least 3 months in a province. This is to reduce the impact of \"Canadians of convenience\" on the health care system.
-- This is true only in Ontario. In the provinces like Saskatchewan or Alberta, there is no waiting period of 3 months. You are covered immediately after landing or becoming resident of that province.
I wasn't aware of this. Are we allowed to reside in Saskatchewan or Alberta province without any additional process or are there any other requirements to be met. Please note that we got our pr from Ontario province and landed in Toronto in Sep 2009 and have to return back by Aug 2012, the latest.
Giving birth in UK seems ok at this time but we are entirely sure, if we opt for this, we are worried about the visa requirements to the child and the processing times as we will have very limited time after the child is born, about 4-5 months max. Chances of rejection, etc..
see these links:
1. http://www.health.gov.sk.ca/moving-to-saskatchewan
Read the last paragraph - "Special Classes of Newcomers"
2. http://www.health.alberta.ca/AHCIP/Q-moving.html
Read "Moving to and from Canada?" section.
Good luck!
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Originally posted by cad08
I wasn't aware of this. Are we allowed to reside in Saskatchewan or Alberta province without any additional process or are there any other requirements to be met. Please note that we got our pr from Ontario province and landed in Toronto in Sep 2009 and have to return back by Aug 2012, the latest.
Giving birth in UK seems ok at this time but we are entirely sure, if we opt for this, we are worried about the visa requirements to the child and the processing times as we will have very limited time after the child is born, about 4-5 months max. Chances of rejection, etc..
Like I said earlier, you do not need to give birth to your child in the UK for your child to be a UK citizen. You can move to Canada before having your child, and your child will be a UK citizen and a Canadian citizen by birth, as long as either you or your spouse acquire UK citizenship first.
