For many Indians, the land of opportunity is the land they’re going back to
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Posted on: 14-05-12 15:33:22
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Originally posted by JRF
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Originally posted by ashedfc
it does not affect common man's day to day life.. as compared to here, it affects every common man's day to day life..
Hmmmm....
1. Completely unfit Passenger commute vehicle (say a Private bus that hauls kids to school) goes for FC (Full checkup) to the RTO office in India, bribe the RTO, vehicle pass the FC, vehicle hits the road, rollover and kills 60 kids..
Its not a common man problem.
2. District Educational Officer approved functioning of a school that operates on a building with palm roof, bribe the officer, get it approved, school also runs a kitchen in the top floor, fire catches the building, 100 kids died.
Its not a common man problem.
3. New bridge is being built, contractor bribed the minister and the whole officer clan to get it certified, bridge collapses.
Its not a common man problem.
4. Property. An old man leaves a property to his aged wife to assist her living from the rent, renters occupy, refuse to pay rent, Police is bribed, judge is bribed. She commits suicide as she can't fight it or have any energy.
No way, Its not a common man problem.
When we talk about good or bad incidents, it is very important not to forget the frequency of the incidents. e.g. if out of thousands of bridges, one collapses then is it a big deal? We are not living in a perfect world.
Web2000,
I must say 'Kudos'!
Out of thousands, one bridge collapses, one hospital catches fire as they didn't follow fire norms and built apartments even in the parking area, one bus rolls over due to being passed unfit, and it's not a big deal? Please tell this to the victim's families and see how they respond.
It's not a matter of living in a perfect world, rather risk your life every now and then that is the underlying issue. Collateral damage, eh!
I shouldn't judge you as I don't know you, but sorry to say that the mindset like this is the root of all the problems in India.
Only if they nip it in the bud right after the partition. But hey, congrats! We have a disguise of not living in a perfect world. Then, why the heck are we following Anna's movement?
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Originally posted by web2000
if out of thousands of bridges, one collapses then is it a big deal? We are not living in a perfect world.
Not a big deal unless you are on that bridge at the time of collapse.
How insensitive we are becoming.
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A Delhite in Toronto
Until you or I get affected, we will speak only about stats..
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The cowards never started,
The weak died on the way,
Only the strong arrived.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yK1i9cLAMM
[Sarcasm on]
Yep, there's no difference in paying taxes and giving a bribe. And when bridges collapse and you die, how's that any different from dying a natural death? We're all gonna die one day anyways, why bother with silly things like how?
You see an old lady getting harassed by some goonda on the street. The question you should be asking is "Does it affect me?"
[sarcasm off]
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Originally posted by Timon
I have been through this experience very recently and have a few thoughts.
-As I metioned in my previous post, the money is definitely good in India if you are in the right place. Your saving potential could double or even triple, if you go for the right opportunity.
-I think going to be right company and job are important. I had to go through a crappy company experience, which is primarily one of the reasons why I came back. But, if you are in the right company, India is the way to go.
-The learning opportunities are tremendous in India.
-On the flip side, there are issues like pollution, messy roads, huge amount of corruption etc that one had to deal with. Again depending on the job, if you are IT, you don’t deal with it. Kids are going to be a challenge once they are 10+ since there is a huge difference between the education system between Canada and India.
At the end of the day, Do I regret in my decision to move back..probably not since I moved back for the right reasons.
Reasonable view, as is TK's view on the opposite side of the spectrum.
If your primary reason for returning to Canada is conscientious rejection of corruption, then you will be disappointed. Sadly, there is plenty of corruption in Canada as well.
Some of it is very blatant as in India and some of it very sophisticated and concealed as mentioned by ashedfc.
Maybe not as ridiculously prevalent as in India, but there is significant corruption in Canada and many of us contribute towards graft without our knowing it.
For example, you may work for a company that regularly greases politicians, bureaucrats and others.
Personally for me, pollution, traffic and especially rising cot of living are the biggest concerns. However, I would love to divide my time between India and Canada if it were possible. Dec- Mar would be perfect months to be in India.
I never said that old people don't face problems here, matter of fact I'm sure they do too. But there are checks and balances and criminals get prosecuted.
By contrast, I see "corruption" being accepted as the way of life in India with the pertinent question being "Does it affect me?". You can use population, limited resources, illiteracy, politicians etc. to justify it, but that does not fix anything.
Nations don't become superpowers with this kind of a passive mentality. Never happened in history before and don't think it ever will.
I hope India keeps progressing, however for India's sake - I do hope progress measurements also starts factoring things like ethics, values, justice for the common man and culture - as opposed to just a stack of rupees and how many cars it can buy on roads they can't be driven on. The latter, on its own, will fizzle out very quickly.
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