Posted on: 03-02-05 23:41:17
and chandresh, i feel guilty for not chiming in earlier to support you in an earlier thread when people were jumping on you. i think you are doing a very good job as moderator and should be appreciated for the time you spend helping others.
but, since i'm an outsider, i never take part in the canadiandesi 'flamewars'.
too bad, i miss out on all the fun he he
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Orginally posted by Chris
i do not support this initiative. it will lead, in my view, to a further disintegration of society. the family and the family struture is what makes us what we are. take away the family and you are left with pure hedonism.
look at society now: the community, the family, these institutions are falling away.
if gay marriages are allowed then you know what will follow: gays can adopt children; they will teach children about homosexuality in school; are you prepared for this?
some say the march of history has been the freeing of the individual. this could be true: in the middle ages people had no choices; their destinies were set. even up to the 1950s, parents lived for their children; some took on dreary jobs or abandoned personal wishes for their family. that era is now gone. everything is done for the individual. teenagers want to kill their parents, most marriages in canada end in divorce...
maybe i'm too conservative... but that's my view.
and you are entitled to it rightly or wrongly.
If homosexuality taught in schools is the fear, is it because we are afraid that our children will become homosexual? If that were the case all these years should have 'straightened' out any homosexual who received normal sex education. I dont think any amount of education would have made me OR you gay. So what exactly are we afraid of?
Chris you mention family structure, then you talk about divorces . Its quite normal for people to have 2 dads or 2 moms even in same sex marriages(due to divorces and remarriage). So where exactly is this sacrosanct 'marriage' we are talking about?
With individualism comes great responsibility(spiderman anyone
). That has been lost on people. IMO society should not be given the task of protecting marriages and /or its structure...its an individual resposnibility. Of course some would wish life were simpler as it was under rigid customs and mores of yore.Maybe what you are saying is that most people are not ready for this responsibility and that its easier for people to leave this responsibility to the society(laws and customs) while they chase the $? I would agree.
Note: this is not a debate...i am trying te see the rationale beyond the rhetoric(though i indulge in the same)
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This is a shocking situation we all face today as humans. Imagin trying to break the law of nature. I am not a very religious person, but I can see clearly the consequences to all the defiance. The various natural calamaties sent down upon us. The one thing everyone respects the sacred bond of Marriage (between a man and a woman) is being torn apart. Marriage means an accepted means of reproduction of the human race, for generations. Looks like we are calling upon distruction to ourselves. I sincerely hope and pray for a proper means to bring home the reality to our fellowmen. WE OUGHT TO LIVE A PEACFUL AND JOYFUL LIFE NATURALLY. Because:
We cant't blame others for where we are in our lives. When we blame them for our problems, we extend the difference between them and us and we poison our relationships. If we blame ourselves, we multiply our guilt, and when we blame God for our difficulties, we cut ourselves away from our source of Help. So--- Good luck to all of us for the future.
they are just LEGALIZING it by that they mean its not ilegal. So along with other things legal which are bad e.g. guns, certain harmful drugs, cigarettes, liquor etc. these kind of marriages will be honored by law and basically if one partner dies the other one will be eligible to get his property etc which would be a fair situation.
if law doesnt take a stand people will anyway continue what they are doing.
That said, I think that the governement cant address this issue just by using laws. they have to think of something else. because There are new diseases arising out of gay partnerships and they can even harm the other population as I read in an article about diseases and Aids in new york.
http://www.newyorkblade.com/2005/2-4/news/localnews/stdnyc.cfm
If the governement expects to legalize it they should be ready for outbreaks of such diseases too as it may lead to increased need for medical benefits for gay people.
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smile ...
I had posted the following to some other topic which is related to same sex marriages. I am copying-pasting it again here as I see this thread more relevent. THESE ARE NOT MY VIEWS, THESE ARE THE VIEWS OF SOME LISTENERS ON A RADIO CHANNEL (ASIAN CONNECTION, 101.3 FM) WHICH I LISTENED FEW DAYS AGO.
Hey Jake, would you also copy-paste your reply to this or some new ones this time
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The other day I was listening to a Desi radio program where they were discussing the same topic. They were taking calls on air and getting listeners' views on same sex marriage. Some of the points raised were:
1) Same sex marriages are being approved mainly on the basis of 'Minority Rights'. Lets say tomorrow if someone falls in love with his / her pet and he/she wants to marry that pet and he/she gets 500 more persons like him/her, so they become 'Minority Group'. Would they also be allowed to marry their pets?
2) Even if the same sex couples are allowed to marry but they must not be allowed to adopt a child or give birth. Its gonna be major 'Identity' issue for the kids.
3) Whenever you go beyond the rules of nature, it takes revenge. In times to come, there could be many more dangerous and incurable diseases like AIDS.
4) One of the listener said that in his neighbourhood, there is an old 'same sex couple (gays)' living there for about 20 years. Both might be over 60 years and GOD knows what kind of 'Bimaari' they have that they do not wear clothes, rather they 'CAN NOT' wear any clothes. Whenever somebody goes to their house like some direct marketer or courier boy or pizza delivery boy.....they always find them naked. One of the Pizza delivery Desi guy told him (to the listener) that both have hugh red and grey marks all over their skin.
5) Soon the story books will have stories like: 'Ek Raja Tha. Uske teen raaje the. Un teen raajon se us raaje ke do-do raj kumar the. Jab woh raaj kumar bade hue to us raaje ne un sab ka 'Balak Daan' kiya. Un teeno ki shaadi padosi desh ke raaje ke raj kumaaron se hui. Us padosi desh ke raaje ke bhi teen raaje the jinse uske do-do raj kumar the'
Chalo bataao ki is parivaar mein kitne raaje the???
6) Very interesting one: There will be a remake of Sholay (Gabbar Singh fame) and this time Gabbar will say: "Are o Samba.....dekh to, Canada ne Gabbar ko pakdne ke liye Chhakon ki fauj tayyar ki hai"
I just wanted to share some of the views expressed by the listeners. Anyway, whatever it would be, but personally I don't agree with the 'same sex marriages'. Kudrat ka kanoon sab se bada kanoon hai aur us kanoon ko todne ki saza bahut bhaari hoti hai....yeh mera apna maan-na hai.
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Hey Jake, would you also copy-paste your reply to this or some new ones this time
here is the link for my replies to what sanjeev(quoted phone-ins to radio show) had written about
http://www.canadiandesi.com/read.php?TID=6444&page=3
I think most of the reaction is due to 'fear' that most of us have of the unknown. Here are some reactions(based on similar fears)...from not too long ago. Only the 'them' in that story are 'us' desis.
I am posting this to make a point that it is easier to judges when you are not 'them'. Maybe some of you will see similarities in the way a lot of us now react to this gay marriage flap(especially the disease that the two gay men were supposed to have according to our pizza guy from sanjeevs post
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"Then the Sikh people, the least objectionable of the East Indians, are turbulent and uncomfortable to have around.
They are like the worst of the Irish raised to the Nth or the fourth dimension."
Vancouver Sun, June 19, 1914
"The oriental relishes the clandestine and the surreptitious. Anything done in the dark or from ambush is fascinating to him. He lusts for mystery and skulking and he loves to retire from sight and conspire. Yet the East Indians cannot keep a secret. Their most deep-laid intrigues are whispered among the lumber piles of the mill yards. If Hindu conspirators hatch a plot today the drift of gossip in the air tomorrow carries news of it. The Hindus must talk. Their tongues are like those of scandal-thinking women."
Vancouver Sun, June 3, 1914
A writer for the Vancouver Sun describes a Sikh man:
"He was scantily and dirtily clothed, and he had the look of a lost dog. Though it was the close season for fleas, he scratched himself as he spoke some baffling English."
Vancouver Sun, June 3, 1914
"Right-thinking people know that the natives of Hindustan, though they have their good points, should not be allowed in this country, except for circus purposes."
Vancouver Sun, June 19, 1914
"On Saturday the desperados on the ship are said to have formed a secret organization, each member of which took a solemn pledge not leave Vancouver harbor alive. The agreement was drawn upon writing and signed by six red hand prints in regular-Oriental secret society style. The prints are those of the right hands of six men who are sworn leaders, and it is said that their hands were dipped in real blood. It is hard for matter-of-fact minds, unaccustomed to things set in a key of fantasy, to take this kind of thing seriously, but these coffee-colored Sikhs are quite capable of desperate enterprise of this kind. Our minds are not primitive enough to take in the extent of their fanaticism."
Vancouver Sun, June 29, 1914
A writer for the Vancouver Sun writes about the passengers of the Komagata Maru:
"Few emigrant bands in history have come so far to be sent back. They are rejected not because they are an outland people, but because they come from a strange part of the world where men’s skins are not only pigmented, but their hearts also. It is not the brown skins, but the brown mind that makes them unwelcome."
Vancouver Sun, July 11, 1914
"Since the Komagata Maru started on her wanderings with her emigrants various religious rites have been a great feature of life aboard. Prayers have been said in great abundance and the blessing of the Sikh saints have been invoked daily. The Sikh guru and his holy men have run through the rituals of their religion, which is one of the fifty-seven varieties of Buddhism, every day. Buddha asks no sacrifice of living things in the practice of his faith, but expressly forbids it. But the Hindus aboard the ship are worshippers of Shiva and Vishnu who demand chickens. Yesterday the last the last of the sacrificial fowls on board were assassinated with appropriate ceremonies, and the proper amount of sanctification."
Vancouver Sun, June 6, 1914
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I dont think those white folk quoted from my last post were wrong. They were only trying to protect their society from being something they were *convinced* was wrong too. From being 'diluted' by these brown people who were so 'different'. They too *rightly* expected to face challenges to their education system, religious and cultural status of the day. They were fightened about their children mixing with these unwanted entrants to their country.
Its not my right or in my capacity to judge those white folk, even in hindsight. However, I am glad a lot of them were ready to accept the changes to their society and that,today, my children and me can enjoy being part of it.
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