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Posted on: 21-08-09 11:30:18
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Originally posted by gopalpai
I also feel it is better to go back to wherever we are getting job and better opportunities.What is so special in canada that, we cannot survive without canada. Take for eg : there are thousands of people dying of asthma in canada due to bad weather.
Thousands of people dying of asthma due to bad weather? I must have missed the millions of people puffing away on their asthma relieving inhalers and puffers. Can you quote a source for this earth-shattering piece of news?
Fact - In Canada, approximately 20 children and 500 adults die each year from asthma. Here is the source http://www.asthma.ca/corp/newsroom/pdf/asthmastats.pdf
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Originally posted by gopalpai
see toronto star.The crime rate is high. Is there any place which can be called safe in canada.? see toronto homicides.
FYI, Toronto is one of the safest large cities in North America with the lowest homicide rates. It has a homicide rate of 1.8/100,000 You want to know the rate of homicide in Washington DC? - 35.8/100,000
Here is the source - http://www.toronto.ca/quality_of_life/safety.htm
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Originally posted by gopalpai
We have to have canadian education (that too at the age of 40+),canadian references and canadian experience. Why canadian Govt. and Immigration dept doesn't know while issuing visa that we are migrating and relocating and we don't have canadian experience,reference and education? .
Did the Canadian government point a gun at you to immigrate at the age of 40? Can you show any contract or document issued by the Canadian govt that says that you will be guaranteed a job(in your line of work) within weeks of landing, without any relevant work experience. If you did not do your due diligence before landing, why are you blaming others?
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Originally posted by gopalpai
Instead of issuing skilled Visa and migration Visa, they should first issue student Visa to us, I promise you nobody would want to migrate.who wants to study at the age of 40+. Why worldwide experience doesn't count or what? Why middle east is asking for their education and experience and references?Are they not successful? They are more successful than canada today. see Dubai/sharjah/abudhabi etc
Middle East more successful than Canada?
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Originally posted by gopalpai
Now take our eg: we came more than 3 months back and already spend more than $10000/- without earning anything. $10000 = Rs.450,000/-. With this amount, I can live without job for 4 years in India. correct me if am wrong. With this amount I can buy a house in interiors or I can buy a shop in interiors and run a business.
You can live without job for 4 years on Rs4.5 lacs in India? Do you know that this comes to an average of Rs 9000/month. Monthly rent for a small apt in the far flung suburbs of Mumbai is more than that.
Its not even worth refuting and challenging the other absurd points that you have made in this post and continue to make all over this forum in badmouthing Canada. If you had spent half that time in preparing for a job hunt systematically, you would have been better off.
You can live without job for 4 years on Rs4.5 lacs in India? Do you know that this comes to an average of Rs 9000/month. Monthly rent for a small apt in the far flung suburbs of Mumbai is more than that.
reply: the guy already has a house in mumbai. (No exps of house).
I have a home in Mumbai in a prime area.Even if I get 20k job again I have no expenses like rent and stuff.Iam seriously confused on what to do..I know the final call .
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The best way to find yourself is to lose yourself in the service of others.”
Mahatma Gandhi
sorry cd's I think I have made you all angry. When you all give big big advise telling us, we will be lucky if we get entry next summer i.e one year after landing. how do you think we new immigrants feel.? How do you think we feel when you all advise us to do hourly job lifting 25 lbs for 7 hours and during day time try for job,attend interview,continously apply on web etc. At that time, did we (new immigrant) get angry with you all. NO. we appreciated you help which is not real help or guidance.
Instead of giving such big big advise, try and give real help like freddie does.
The way freddie and few cd's reply giving link as help . Such help is invaluable. Instead of giving big advise, feel what we (new immigrants) are going thorugh because at one point of time, you all also went through same process. I believe.
Freddie, gave us contact of such person, who would give my husband electrical licence. After getting licence, he can work under some contractor. This is real help and guidance. Please give such help and encourage new immigrant.
somebody challenged me that, am wasting my time on canadiandesi.com instead I should sit and apply systematically for job. For your information I have been applying for my husband past 3-4 months (before landing) from sharjah sitting till latenight till 2-3 am after my children go to sleep.whole day I look after my house,my children, apply for my husband,while my husband whole day attends co-op session and in the evening my husband goes for classes of electrical licence. etc. I think applying for job is a full time job isn't it? After so much efforts, we are getting telephone interviews. so what makes you challenge me that, we are not putting efforts.
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The best way to find yourself is to lose yourself in the service of others.”
Mahatma Gandhi
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Originally posted by Fido
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Originally posted by jonav
"yahan kabhi nahin aate if financial circumstances in our home were different".
Jona
A simple q Jona - now you can afford an excellent life style in India , perhaps the lack of which inspired you to come abroad ...
Answer this honestly and after introspection -- would you want to take your kids back to the same excellent life style that you can afford now in India ?
Fido, my answer was for OP's question, if he has a decent lifestyle in India there's no point coming to foreign lands to go thru struggle, loneliness, studying, upgrading career etc. We did all that because we had a purpose (money wise). Once a person tastes success and becomes a self made man the time has flown and priorities change. After monetary benefits comes the things you have been mentioning (pollution free, less crime etc.). We are Canadian PR's but not yet in Canada, we live in South America. 12 yrs ago at the start of his career my hubby would have travelled to any damn continent which offered him better prospects, beggars are not choosers; he had a hard time in South America, language difference, no Indian community or food/grocery, no fixed employment, paying for US studies etc. but he continued because he could not go back, the dollars were needed. OP's situation is not the same, why to suffer unnecessarily?
To answer your question I don’t even know where we’ll land up in future, its all so complicated, we are Canadian PR’s living in South America on Indian Passport, currently 3 countries are our home. I think I posted here earlier too that we may get shifted to Ecuador, for now I’m enjoying my stay in all the host countries. We cannot condemn or be partial to any cause all of them jointly made us what we are!
Take care…………….
Gopal Pai ,
Please do not be discouraged by incidents / experiences around yourself .. Life can be tough and trying for all and make us lose our sense of judgment at times ....... but its good that we have Canadian Desi where people share all kinds of advices / experiences .. Use the ones you find useful ...
For a new immigrant there's perhaps little alternative other than looking for jobs .... survival initially and then climbing up the ladder as time passes .... unless you are in the preferred category as TK says 'Accounting and IT ' ...
If one spouse can work , the other can study and adapt himself with bridge qualifications ... Survival jobs fortunately help you pay off your bills and you do not have to eat into your savings .....
Besides Freddie and others TK also dispenses free informative advice which might appear naive to some but helps others I believe .
Also appreciate the fact that after 3 yrs you can get a Passport here , which you would have never got in the ME .... Obviously you need a job as the first thing ... Don't think labor jobs , there are other survival jobs also like security etc ... As I said earlier , one can work and the other study ....
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Fido.
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Originally posted by jonav
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Originally posted by Fido
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Originally posted by jonav
"yahan kabhi nahin aate if financial circumstances in our home were different".
Jona
A simple q Jona - now you can afford an excellent life style in India , perhaps the lack of which inspired you to come abroad ...
Answer this honestly and after introspection -- would you want to take your kids back to the same excellent life style that you can afford now in India ?
Fido, my answer was for OP's question, if he has a decent lifestyle in India there's no point coming to foreign lands to go thru struggle, loneliness, studying, upgrading career etc. We did all that because we had a purpose (money wise). Once a person tastes success and becomes a self made man the time has flown and priorities change. After monetary benefits comes the things you have been mentioning (pollution free, less crime etc.). We are Canadian PR's but not yet in Canada, we live in South America. 12 yrs ago at the start of his career my hubby would have travelled to any damn continent which offered him better prospects, beggars are not choosers; he had a hard time in South America, language difference, no Indian community or food/grocery, no fixed employment, paying for US studies etc. but he continued because he could not go back, the dollars were needed. OP's situation is not the same, why to suffer unnecessarily?
To answer your question I don’t even know where we’ll land up in future, its all so complicated, we are Canadian PR’s living in South America on Indian Passport, currently 3 countries are our home. I think I posted here earlier too that we may get shifted to Ecuador, for now I’m enjoying my stay in all the host countries. We cannot condemn or be partial to any cause all of them jointly made us what we are!
Take care…………….
I agree 100% with what you say Jona but my q remains un answered - At this stage having earned a lot in terms of money and experience and in all probability ensuring an equally good job and future back in India ..... having a 'higher middle class' life style in India ......... would you wish to go back ??
Most of the cases I know of -- the answer is 'NO' ...... because of the facts I have posted earlier viz lack of support systems / infrastructure etc , a good higher class people want to come out and those who come out rarely go back .
What I am trying to say is that it is not the beggars who come abroad but the finer of the people who have a choice of making it big in India also .... they still prefer to come abroad for obvious reasons .....
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Fido.
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Originally posted by jonav
Once a person tastes success and becomes a self made man the time has flown and priorities change. After monetary benefits comes the things you have been mentioning (pollution free, less crime etc.).
OP's situation is not the same, why to suffer unnecessarily?
Exactly what I termed as evolutioin in one of the earlier posts ...
It is not unnecassarily ----- if after tasting success , we are hesitant to return for reasons we have learnt ...... why should we not advise the OP of the same ?
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Fido.
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