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Hi,
I left India about 7 years ago and the main reason was money.I got a job in Europe and pay was about 12-13 times more than India.The job had much less pressure.initial 1-2 years was difficult as I was trying to adjust to a new country but after that it was easy.
Now when I visit india(which is every year) i think home is home...but if you have no money you won't be happy anywhere..be it US/Canada/India/Europe.
For most of us professionals social welfare is just not the way..infact it is more frustating.And belive me all this cleanliness,corruptionfree environment,infrastructure,values and manners will suck if you have no money/no job.The dirt,pollution,corruption etc. of India would be fun if you earn good money.
Many young people in India now earn a lot..latest mobiles,cars,houses,holidays are easy to have...in west your brains would be blunted after a while as everything is organised and easy,system controls you very well and you neither have to be creative nor find ways around.
If you get a good job in Canada or anywhere on the planet...which pays a lot..take it,earn well for good few years,invest well,save and then think for comfort,stability,being with parents etc.

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That's the best post I read on this thread. I'll repeat what you said, my hubby also left India purely for money, as a fatherless child he had worked hard but the success rate in India was nothing compared to here. Financial security for some is very important and for some not so important. IMO 90% of the immigrants migrate to other countries purely for financial benefits, anyone denying that is not telling the truth.

If money and acheiving financial security is not the priority, all this craving for home and sacrifices of being alone and adjustment in Canada does not make sense.

Today if anyone is offered a CEO post, $250K salary in India with expat benefits, I'm sure we all will forget the newspapers headlines full of terrors in there!!

Jona

Hi,
Nothing comes free in this world. When we talk about the pathetic situation of India, we feel pity for those living in india. We forget that it is the same india, which columbus tried to discover, and accidentally discovered America. Now, why did he try to discover route to india? Why did the mughals attacked india again and again? Because India was termed as Golden Sparrow, it was really prosperous since 5000 years, it was self sufficient, it was secure, safe, pollution free, at the time when europe and america did not exist on the earth. People used to trade in Gold coins, then silver, then copper, and now in paper notes.

India was prosperous both physically(money and materialistic wise) and morally, as well as spiritually. It was the spiritual viceless india(indians) then and now it has become corrupt vicious india(indians),



All civilisations have their golden period, now its time for the west but does not seem to be for long. It is cylic, now its time for india to become again prosperous, safe secure and pollution free, it is only a matter of time.
I believe that all the decisions shall not be made keeping in mind only financial aspects, as nothing is free. If that is only important, then why don't people like us go for other easier but illegal means for economic prosperity, because we know and understand that its not our cup of tea.

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Nothing comes free in this world. When we talk about the pathetic situation of India, we feel pity for those living in india. We forget that it is the same india, which columbus tried to discover, and accidentally discovered America. Now, why did he try to discover route to india? Why did the mughals attacked india again and again? Because India was termed as Golden Sparrow, it was really prosperous since 5000 years, it was self sufficient, it was secure, safe, pollution free, at the time when europe and america did not exist on the earth. People used to trade in Gold coins, then silver, then copper, and now in paper notes.

India was prosperous both physically(money and materialistic wise) and morally, as well as spiritually. It was the spiritual viceless india(indians) then and now it has become corrupt vicious india(indians),



All civilisations have their golden period, now its time for the west but does not seem to be for long. It is cylic, now its time for india to become again prosperous, safe secure and pollution free, it is only a matter of time.
I believe that all the decisions shall not be made keeping in mind only financial aspects, as nothing is free. If that is only important, then why don't people like us go for other easier but illegal means for economic prosperity, because we know and understand that its not our cup of tea.

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Hi,
I left India about 7 years ago and the main reason was money.I got a job in Europe and pay was about 12-13 times more than India.The job had much less pressure.initial 1-2 years was difficult as I was trying to adjust to a new country but after that it was easy.
Now when I visit india(which is every year) i think home is home...but if you have no money you won't be happy anywhere..be it US/Canada/India/Europe.
For most of us professionals social welfare is just not the way..infact it is more frustating.And belive me all this cleanliness,corruptionfree environment,infrastructure,values and manners will suck if you have no money/no job.The dirt,pollution,corruption etc. of India would be fun if you earn good money.
Many young people in India now earn a lot..latest mobiles,cars,houses,holidays are easy to have...in west your brains would be blunted after a while as everything is organised and easy,system controls you very well and you neither have to be creative nor find ways around.
If you get a good job in Canada or anywhere on the planet...which pays a lot..take it,earn well for good few years,invest well,save and then think for comfort,stability,being with parents etc.

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That's the best post I read on this thread. I'll repeat what you said, my hubby also left India purely for money, as a fatherless child he had worked hard but the success rate in India was nothing compared to here. Financial security for some is very important and for some not so important. IMO 90% of the immigrants migrate to other countries purely for financial benefits, anyone denying that is not telling the truth.

If money and acheiving financial security is not the priority, all this craving for home and sacrifices of being alone and adjustment in Canada does not make sense.

Today if anyone is offered a CEO post, $250K salary in India with expat benefits, I'm sure we all will forget the newspapers headlines full of terrors in there!!

Jona

All civilisations have their golden period, now its time for the west but does not seem to be for long. It is cylic, now its time for india to become again prosperous, safe secure and pollution free, it is only a matter of time.
I believe that all the decisions shall not be made keeping in mind only financial aspects, as nothing is free. If that is only important, then why don't people like us go for other easier but illegal means for economic prosperity, because we know and understand that its not our cup of tea.

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This discussion will go on and on forever that's why I wrote "financial security for some is important and for some not". Fortunately/Unfortunately my family falls in the financial security cadre. Circumstances in my husband's case were very different (loosing his father at 6 and seeing mom struggling...taking tutions to feed and run the home.) Bringing financial security to his siblings and mom was the first priority and for this he put all his energies in education. With his kind of education he would have done excellent in India too and stayed in there if he had parents which were affluent and could afford a home. Among us we have discussed this many times and always say "yahan kabhi nahin aate if financial circumstances in our home were different".

Jaidev you are right in saying that money can also lead to earnings by illlegal means (if acheiving money is the sole motto) but I'll disagree cause not all go illegal ways. If I've learnt one thing from my hubby then it is "the value of education and how it can redeem one's life".

Jona

I agree with you, that education can redeem one's life, but nowadays, the situations are changing, Well educated people from well to do family backgrouns are resorting to the ways and means which one would not have thought of. Their actions are motivated by greed, ego, lust, insecurity, fear and anger.

It is time to emphasize on moral values of love, humility, truthfulness, cooperation in education at very early stage, without that it is going to be difficult for educated lot to contribute positively to themselves and others.

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Hi,

This discussion will go on and on forever that's why I wrote "financial security for some is important and for some not". Fortunately/Unfortunately my family falls in the financial security cadre. Circumstances in my husband's case were very different (loosing his father at 6 and seeing mom struggling...taking tutions to feed and run the home.) Bringing financial security to his siblings and mom was the first priority and for this he put all his energies in education. With his kind of education he would have done excellent in India too and stayed in there if he had parents which were affluent and could afford a home. Among us we have discussed this many times and always say "yahan kabhi nahin aate if financial circumstances in our home were different".

Jaidev you are right in saying that money can also lead to earnings by illlegal means (if acheiving money is the sole motto) but I'll disagree cause not all go illegal ways. If I've learnt one thing from my hubby then it is "the value of education and how it can redeem one's life".

Jona

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I also feel it is better to go back to wherever we are getting job and better opportunities.What is so special in canada that, we cannot survive without canada. Take for eg : there are thousands of people dying of asthma in canada due to bad weather. see toronto star.The crime rate is high. Is there any place which can be called safe in canada.? see toronto homicides. We have to have canadian education (that too at the age of 40+),canadian references and canadian experience. Why canadian Govt. and Immigration dept doesn't know while issuing visa that we are migrating and relocating and we don't have canadian experience,reference and education? Instead of issuing skilled Visa and migration Visa, they should first issue student Visa to us, I promise you nobody would want to migrate.who wants to study at the age of 40+. Why worldwide experience doesn't count or what? Why middle east is asking for their education and experience and references?Are they not successful? They are more successful than canada today. see Dubai/sharjah/abudhabi etc.

Many people outside canada are not aware of situations in canada. More than half come to canada and suffer all these pathetic conditions doing labour jobs, cold weather, because canada is ticket to go to USA. Let me tell you, it is not worth to suffer 3-5 years like this,just to enter USA. I remember once a guy from singapore told me, here more than half the people are running away from something or other. I wonder what he meant by this?Now take our eg: we came more than 3 months back and already spend more than $10000/- without earning anything. $10000 = Rs.450,000/-. With this amount, I can live without job for 4 years in India. correct me if am wrong. With this amount I can buy a house in interiors or I can buy a shop in interiors and run a business.

Let us take an example of people owning semi-detached or detached independent house worth more than $5,00,000/- (equv Rs.2,25,00,000 approx)
This people who own house more than $500,000 are working on hourly basis in wendy's,etc for 4-5 hours at the age of 40+ and get say $50/- as they define pocket money everyday. Let us assume they go back with this money and deposit this money in bank for 8-10% p.a which comes to Interest 18,00,000/- to 22,50,000/- p.a. which is very good amount in India as pocket money.

Seeing from all perspective, I wonder as whether, it is better to go back myself or stay for the sake of children. there is an eg: before me of a patel family in dubai, they are still in dubai, they send their children for further studies in Australia and now they are citizens and they have applied for their parents citizenship. our children also can come later for higher studies.

only time will tell but I think you need more courage to go back.

P.S, Sorry for error in calculation. corrected.

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$5,00,000/- (equv Rs.25,00,000 approx)

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"yahan kabhi nahin aate if financial circumstances in our home were different".
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