Did God create man or man create God ?


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Fido   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 30-09-15 06:07:44

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Originally posted by gktaurus
On the other hand, what about the concept of ghosts? If you believe there is no life after death, how do we explain the ghost? There are millions and millions of incidents to prove their existence. It is indeed easy to realize the bad as it does not need any effort but to realize GOD, one has to go to extremes.



That's exactly the kind of blind faith we are talking about ...

When we were kids , some child said something about a ghost on a tree or a headless horseman and we used to believe in that ... perhaps due to the limited knowledge we had of the world and believing blindly what someone else said.

As we grew up , we developed knowledge , intellect & reasoning which made us seek answers behind everything we see and feel ... we learned Physics , Chemistry and stuff to understand things and became mature leaving the fear of ghosts behind as well a belief in their existence!

This also depicts how mankind evolved - when Gods evolved and when they were questioned .... and now they remain only as symbols of blind faith ... You have yourself questioned physicality of heaven & hell , if you were to go a step ahead you would join us in questioning his existence as well.

I will ask you a q - Have you seen , felt or known someone personally who has seen or felt a ghost ? Your answer will explain a lot of things.

There's no reasoning , evidence or proof of God ...and it is blind faith and superstition to accept anything based on hearsay .

The concept of rebirth & salvation is again misleading and fictitious ... wonder why the other religions ( and their Gods) do not profess it ... Perhaps there is a colony of Gods up there who profess different faith & logicality.


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Fido   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 30-09-15 06:18:39

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Originally posted by ramar2005
Ramanujan was supposed to have said that his family deity provided him with flashes of knowledge to the many mathematical problems, he was trying to solve.



Did it really OR was it his 'faith' in the family deity which did it ?? ...Hitler had his faith is extinction of Jews and he attained a horrific proportion to that account ... So should we say that Jew extinction was 'God' for him ?

Like BPF says if at all God serves as someone whom we can complain to , seek support (read faith) from and helps us lead a simple life by shifting all the unexplained things to Him ..... I agree with that as I have always that God is a name people give to their faith and belief which can help them attribute unexplained things in life and coining some more like rebirths.

No wonder Islamist believing their so called God are killing so many people based on their blind faith and committing suicides awaiting 72 virgins .... That's what God tells them and they are carrying on His wishes ?

How can our God be right and their God be wrong if it is one and the same thing ?


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ramar2005   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 30-09-15 19:58:38

Ramanujan was someone who hardly had any education beyond high school and who went to work as a clerk and not join any elite University as faculty or do mathematical research. Yet he was able to get rare insights into complex mathematical problems. He did believe in his deity and probably was able to latch on to Supreme Knowledge. If alive, may be he would say, if someone doesn't believe in jet flights, but would prefer to walk all the way to America, it is his problem.

To talk about Adolf Hitler in the same breath would not be correct. Whatever Hitler did was for political power. Had all the Jews fought alongside him to make him another Alexander, he might have spared them.

Fanaticism should not be based on religion and even otherwise.


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ramar2005   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 30-09-15 19:59:58

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Fido   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 01-10-15 10:50:07

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Originally posted by ramar2005
Yet he was able to get rare insights into complex mathematical problems. He did believe in his deity and probably was able to latch on to Supreme Knowledge. If alive, may be he would say, if someone doesn't believe in jet flights, but would prefer to walk all the way to America, it is his problem.



'Probably ' - I like that word which implies non definiteness which relates to 'God' .

So if Roger Bannister ran the first 4 minute mile , he gained that to the supreme power .... Perhaps he would also say that Jet Flights and Jets are also probably 'God given'

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Originally posted by ramar2005
To talk about Adolf Hitler in the same breath would not be correct. Whatever Hitler did was for political power. Had all the Jews fought alongside him to make him another Alexander, he might have spared them.



Wrong - Hitler had more of a antisemitic hatred agenda than political to eliminate Jews ... cozs that was his belief and faith.... As much as Hindus believed so much in Ram Janma bhoomi that they demolished Babri Masjid............ If God is faith then faith can be in incorrect things also (incorrect for you , correct for others since it is their faith ) BUT that proves existence of faith not of God.

In a similar way Islamist believing in their Allah kill non believers in Allah feeling that they are carrying on the will of their God just because a man went into a cave and came out with a new religion claiming he got revelation from God ... What a pity for humanity :(

If God is same , do you think he would profess killing other people who believe in another God .... Thank God animals don't have religions otherwise man would have killed animals also based on religious diktats ....

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Originally posted by ramar2005
Fanaticism should not be based on religion and even otherwise.



Why not ? What is fanaticism - an increased focused faith and belief in something - generally religious ........ Unfortunately fanaticism is nearly always related to religion as people start believing very deeply in a set of values as supreme which had nothing to do with any supreme power since that supreme powe if any is an invention of man himself.


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Blue_Peafowl   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 01-10-15 13:58:07

I am strong believer of GOD existence ...

not sure about other religion but as Hindu i believe God is there and he has created universe and manage it.

God: Generator( Brahma), Organizer( Vishnu), Destroyer (Mahesh/Siva)

U r all free to believe whatever suites you but i believe in my GOD and by praying i get relief,

To me it leads the path for me to follow , it gives me strength to do good deed , show me a way to differentiate between good and bad

My day start end end with pray






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ramar2005   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 01-10-15 18:44:49

For Bannister or any ordinary farmer trying to raise a crop, there are two aspects. One is the hard work he has to do to prepare the field and the second is to wait for the right climate. The first part is totally in their hands and the latter, we can call God, Mother Nature, or any other name. Or we can misappropriate to say it is 100% our own efforts.

Hitler was basically military man and nothing to show he had any religious faith. To blame it on his religion may not be correct.

Again, to compare the genocide carried out by him with a comparatively very small riotous mob's unlawful act would be losing our sense of proportion. Or probably intentional wrong propaganda by the West to state a lie again and again, that anything other than their way of life is barbaric, the backlash they themselves experience. And again the destruction of the prayer hall defunct for many decades and even across centuries was the result of vote bank politics, failure on the part of those who call themselves leaders, of judiciary to hand out a just verdict, of a majority of people who thought justice was not being done, of a minority which believes in death and destruction as a religious way of life. And most importantly, the prayer hall was supposedly named after NOT the invader Babur, who himself would not call himself Indian, but of a seven year old boy Babri, for reasons best known to the General who destroyed the Ram temple that originally remained at that place.

History is not at all important countries of/near the Middle East as their religion supposedly does not distinguish a Palmyra or a Bamiyan Buddha from any other ordinary structure. They would destroy centuries old religious places to build highways. But for some, History does become important if it can destroy the religious sentiment of a majority of people. As shall we sow, so shall we reap.

Sorry for the digression.


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