Did God create man or man create God ?


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Fido   
Member since: Aug 06
Posts: 5286
Location: Canada

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 18-09-15 12:40:10

Hi CDs

I always wanted to discuss this but inspired by the latest post from Hiren on the other thread I started this one .

Throughout my childhood I remember unable to understand the phenomenon of God. Distinctly recall in grade 3 when asked by a teacher I replied ' God is the name people give to their faith'

And that stands for me unshaken till this date .... God is a name we give to the unknown whom we wish to believe in - if I believe in a book , that is God to me , if I want to believe in a stone idol that becomes a God to me.

I had difficulty in understanding how God could have created man and the reasoning & logic given by different religions for eg in Hinduism they say that there are 84 lacs of species through which a soul must be reborn with in until it achieves human birth in which one can attain salvation.

The logical q that comes to one's mind is that how come 84 lacs .... then what happens to the species that have become extinct OR who knows how many more species are there in the Universe.

In Grade 12 we studied a book 'Lord of the Flies' in which a group of 10-15 school kids are marooned on an island and they make a deity of a head of a sow they have killed and start treating it as God ... and therein we can see that as they grow , taking that deity as a guide they fight and form groups ......... an ironical reflection of what happens in the adult world today...


My feeling is 'Man created God' and the worst thing is that because of the God and religion some other man created centuries ago , some innocent men lose their life w/o knowing and understanding what for .....

Did God create Man or Man create God ?? Please share your thoughts.


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hchheda   
Member since: Aug 05
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Location: Woodbridge

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 18-09-15 13:27:06

If you have time, please watch the series COSMOS - I believe it was recommended by FH to me. It will blow your mind and help you understand a lot of stuff that goes on.

Interestingly, the soul reborn theory you mentioned above is loosely similar to the evolution theory they state on this show.

In my opinion, there is no god, just the theory of life and survival until death. There are tons of lecturers who try to explain what is life and what is the purpose of life, where it came from, what you are destined to do etc.. etc.. but in the whole scheme of things, it just how you wish to utilize your time between birth and death. Do you want to die as a scientist, astronomer, politician, jihadist, priest, monk, writer, actor... is all your choice, until you die. Some die accidentally due to their own or someone else's carelessness, some for being at the wrong place at wrong time, some because their vital body parts have aged beyond repair. Those who adapt, are smart enough and alert enough, take necessary steps for survival, live longer. Those species/lineage moves forward - the weaker/lazy/unadapting species goes extinct.

The concept of god was introduced by man initially for noble purposes, but now being hijacked by the powerful for their own devious purposes.

I also find the constant questioning of who I am, why am I born, what is my duty, what is my destiny - are all 'khayali pulao' - the rumblings of an idle brain. If you are constantly busy trying to do what you enjoy the most, spending the living moments they way you want - these thoughts will not arise until you die.


Hiren

:cheers:



happywoman36   
Member since: Oct 13
Posts: 1647
Location: Toronto

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 18-09-15 14:05:59



IMO, God created the universe :

In this beautiful world, how come everything is so perfect.?
Day in day out, so many people die of germs and infection etc. Why don't we die? Coz God is the creator and we hv everything so perfect to protect us till he wants us to live. Whn ur time comes to go...nothing on earth can stop u frm dying.

Whn people think such things, it simply means that, thy hv never felt closeness to God. :) I hv never seen God but I can feel him/her around me n inside me. That is faith in the Almighty. Whn u pray for something and u get it, that is ur closeness to ur God.

Post was edited to reflect your opinion only. Unnecessary personal remarks were removed. Let me know by PM if it changed the meaning of your post in anyway, except your desire to hurt.


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Revenge can be bitter sweet, but if u sit back and watch, KARMA can be pure entertainment.:)


happywoman36   
Member since: Oct 13
Posts: 1647
Location: Toronto

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 18-09-15 14:07:22

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Revenge can be bitter sweet, but if u sit back and watch, KARMA can be pure entertainment.:)


dimple2001   
Member since: Apr 04
Posts: 2873
Location: Western Hemisphere

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 18-09-15 14:37:19

Quote:
Originally posted by happywoman36

>>>>>>>the italicized comments by the moderator<<<<<<<<<<
Post was edited to reflect your opinion only. Unnecessary personal remarks were removed. Let me know by PM if it changed the meaning of your post in anyway, except your desire to hurt.




All I can say is "sigh."


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dimple2001   
Member since: Apr 04
Posts: 2873
Location: Western Hemisphere

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 18-09-15 14:38:36

Quote:
Originally posted by hchheda


In my opinion, there is no god, just the theory of life and survival until death. There are tons of lecturers who try to explain what is life and what is the purpose of life, where it came from, what you are destined to do etc.. etc.. but in the whole scheme of things, it just how you wish to utilize your time between birth and death. Do you want to die as a scientist, astronomer, politician, jihadist, priest, monk, writer, actor... is all your choice, until you die. Some die accidentally due to their own or someone else's carelessness, some for being at the wrong place at wrong time, some because their vital body parts have aged beyond repair. Those who adapt, are smart enough and alert enough, take necessary steps for survival, live longer. Those species/lineage moves forward - the weaker/lazy/unadapting species goes extinct.

The concept of god was introduced by man initially for noble purposes, but now being hijacked by the powerful for their own devious purposes.

I also find the constant questioning of who I am, why am I born, what is my duty, what is my destiny - are all 'khayali pulao' - the rumblings of an idle brain. If you are constantly busy trying to do what you enjoy the most, spending the living moments they way you want - these thoughts will not arise until you die.


Hiren

:cheers:





Well said, Hiren.


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Fido   
Member since: Aug 06
Posts: 5286
Location: Canada

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 18-09-15 15:12:28

Quote:
Originally posted by happywoman36

In this beautiful world, how come everything is so perfect.?
Day in day out, so many people die of germs and infection etc. Why don't we die? Coz God is the creator and we hv everything so perfect to protect us till he wants us to live.

That is faith in the Almighty. Whn u pray for something and u get it, that is ur closeness to ur God.



HW36 ~ Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

If everything is so perfect than why are there diseases , war ,death , misery , poverty in the world ?

'Till he wants' ~ How does he determine this 'till he wants' ? Some religion give the reasoning of Karma and others promise 72 virgins after death :confused:

But that's religion and I wanted to discuss more God then religion , but it seems they are intertwined.

OK I agree about your faith in the Almighty but my q is ~ Is there really an Almighty or one created by man and being believed in and having faith in by others ? ... When you pray for something and you get it , you believe in God , what happens when you pray for something and you do not get it ?

Note : I have no intent to hurt anyone or anybody's religious beliefs.


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