Who created religions


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JSethi   
Member since: Apr 04
Posts: 88
Location: Frankfurt, Germany

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 13-10-04 10:50:44

Nice thoughts VJ......


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JSethi


VJ   
Member since: Mar 04
Posts: 441
Location: Mississauga-Canada

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 13-10-04 10:59:41

Thanks Jsethi,

Rgds,

VJ



mercury6   
Member since: Jan 04
Posts: 2025
Location: State of Denial

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 13-10-04 11:03:45

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Orginally posted by JSethi

Nice reply mercury and pretty logical, fear definately is the root cause of concept of prayer, god and maybe religion too .......
but Fear might have created the first religion, but what is it that has stopped us from continuing under one global religion. What were the people afraid of that caused the inception of one religion after another.
Is it really fear or complete misunderstanding of religion on the part of human brains.




In those times We couldnt possibly live under the same religion. So in different places and times new religions were created (totaly unaware of others) and with basically the same morality but different in specific aspects. Also since we all live in a competetive world we constantly deny others can be right or even equal. So we tend to deny other religions can be as good. If we do we become subservient to the other group of people.

What VJ is saying (correct meif I am wrong) is what I believe too...Religion or God is not needed in telling me what is wrong or right. i.e. Morality doesnt come from god.

When someone does good (or bad) to me I can feel it immediately and I hope when I do the same The other person feels the same. I dont go and find out if it is a Correct or Moral thing to do.. Instinctively I feel it.

I know Its not ok to prey on other peoples wives, not to help a person in need when you can, not to break a promise, not to enslave somebody etc.... Just because I know it will emotionally or physically hurt them because I know it from experience and not because its written somewhere.

I know this can be another topic " Are we born we such things or do we learn it in the due course ".





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DiogenestheCynic   
Member since: Oct 04
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Location: At my desk

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 13-10-04 11:26:25

First and foremost, I am an aethist but here is my take on religion.
Religion is not based on logic, but on faith.Be that as it may, religion was created by man for several reasons. First, religion conveniently explains natural phenomenon, personal disaster and coincidence.

Secondly, man's ego refuses to accept that death might be the end of a person's existance. It is hard for some to think that a dead loved one is gone forever, or that they themselves will entirely cease to be once they draw their final breath: thus, the concept of an afterlife.

Third, it gives some a sense of purpose. For those with empty lives, religion can supply a sense of direction or the comfort of thinking that "God has a plan" and all one has to do is wait for it to be revealed. Also, bad experiences can be more easily endured if one believes that they will be rewarded if they respond to hardship properly.

Fourth, there is a comfort in believing one is being watched over and tenderly cared for by a deity who protects and guides his followers. "Giving it over to God" is very stress-relieving. If one believes that God will solve all of their problems, and all they have to do is submit to his will, there's less worry.

Fifth, there is grim pleasure in believing that wrongdoers will be eventally punished, if not in this life, then the next. (And, according to the Christian Bible, those in heaven will be able to watch the torment of those who were bad.) Nothing is more frustrating than seeing the wicked flourish while the good suffer and struggle. Believing that the scales will eventually be balanced gives some a needed sense of justice.


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JSethi   
Member since: Apr 04
Posts: 88
Location: Frankfurt, Germany

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 13-10-04 16:58:17

Nice thoughts mercury, I respect your view, and DiogenestheCynic, your first post was really nice.
What I understood from the two posts is that the religion resulted either from ignorance or escapist behaviour of human mind ......
But why is that in todays times when we think ourselves to be so well informed and educated, we still get stuck when it comes to religion.
Why is it important to be religious to believe in god. I know this may not be true for all ( speically not for you two guys ) but u will agree that majority in todays world have great hang ups when it comes to religion.
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God please cure this world of all religions.......


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Mishtar India   
Member since: Nov 03
Posts: 668
Location: Toronto

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 13-10-04 17:28:24

Kudos to all for handling this topic so well...some very insightful thoughts.

I read a bumper sticker which said

"O God , save me from your followers"

Speaks volumes about the state of the world today in the name of religion.


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knockout_Jay   
Member since: May 04
Posts: 24
Location: Ontario

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 13-10-04 20:18:51

Hi
That's an interesting question. If we refer to vedas, which are supposed to be one of most ancient scriptures, there is no mention of any religion anywhere. Vedas refer to dharma etc. ,not a religious seggregation of people based on thier faith. Vedas even go to the extent of defining god as Neti,Neti. That means, neither this, nor that.Actually,there is not even a single word about the possible existence of different faiths. So the one possible way to provide an origin to the religion based seggregation is fear and survival instincts as noted by others in this discussion.
Regards,
Jay

Quote:
Orginally posted by JSethi

Guyz,
There is a thought that has always disturbed me and I have never been able to find a satisfactory answer to it. I will like to throw this question to dear canadiandesis. Also, I mean no offence here and dont want to hurt anyone's feelings.......
Why is it that every prophet, guru, bhagwaan has preached respect for other religions but at the same time has created a new religion. Considering the fact that they were gods ( or messenger of god) didnt they foresee that religion could be so easily used as a dividing factor between people. I am a firm believer of god but dont understand the concept of religion which, historically, has been the number one cause of distress to mankind. More people die in the name of religion than of anything else.
As I said guyz, I dont mean to hurt anyones feelings. If the moderator thinks this thread is offensive, I would request him to delete it......





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