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Manasvi   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 14-10-04 02:21:43

A unique topic which we dont discuss commoly in our lives .

I am a born Hindu , u may b the same or a Moslem or a Catholic . Can we see beyond our religion . Most of the times no . Though I aint a firm believer in God but Holi & Diwali are still the most pleasent occasions to me as compared to Eid or Christmas . Thats my view being a Hindu .

Now let s take the view of a man who is either from outer space or has been brought up away from civilization . A sane educated man who has been taught everything sans religion . How wil he react to the religion issue -- He wud infer that being a Moslem means believing in Allah and following Islam . Being a Hindu likewise is following another set of rules .So on and so forth for every religion .

To those who believe in God n religion I wonder whether they really believe in Him ??? For if they do they wud realise that He is the same be it Islam ,Christianity or Hinduism . But THATS NOT SO . Religious people always uphold their own sets of beliefs and customs and denounce the others ' . I wonder if they believe in humanity n brotherhood of man ?

My explanation . Religion is but a set of rules and customs in which exclusive groups of civilizations concurred for leading a civilized social life w/o which they feared they would be just animals .Like the concept of marriage . Now these groups grew w/o knowledge of each other . With the passage of time and growth they realised the presence of others and their need for identity with their own group or in other words 'religion'.

Hence the difference s .......... John Lennon had sung 'Imagine theres no religion ...........' I say really imagine that ......... if there were no religion there would be recogniton of each and every human and animal.

These is my own philosophy though and I thank u for reading it.

Manasvi.



mercury6   
Member since: Jan 04
Posts: 2025
Location: State of Denial

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 14-10-04 09:51:00

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Orginally posted by knockout_Jay

Hi
That's an interesting question. If we refer to vedas, which are supposed to be one of most ancient scriptures, there is no mention of any religion anywhere. Vedas refer to dharma etc. ,not a religious seggregation of people based on thier faith. Vedas even go to the extent of defining god as Neti,Neti. That means, neither this, nor that.Actually,there is not even a single word about the possible existence of different faiths. So the one possible way to provide an origin to the religion based seggregation is fear and survival instincts as noted by others in this discussion.
Regards,
Jay




Very interesting. This could be the origin of why Hinduism is not a dogmatic religion and that its more a way of life than a religion.


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knockout_Jay   
Member since: May 04
Posts: 24
Location: Ontario

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 14-10-04 20:30:44

Hi Mercury,
If we see the history of all the current religions in the world, we can see that India is the only country where new religions and languages are born out of it without any resistance. Most of the so called Hindus have never read the Vedas,yet understood the essence and hence the adoptation with open arms all kinds of religions.India has allowed the true liberation of the mind,where in, people were allowed to debate and question the vedic scriptures(mimansa). And they were allowed to form new religions or were allowed to practice foreign religions. Unlike christians,Hinduism as we know today also do not have the propagation mentality of spreading the religion across the world,in the garb of noble work. Even Christ never asked for that as we see in the bible. Today's hinduism or the original vedic philosophy never instructed any body to go to a temple so many times a day and to do mandatory prayers for being a pure religious person. It is a practical religion. Vested interests have created all the HINDU religious rules like who can read vedas and who can not. You will be amazed,if you read even the translated texts. We think that the current technology is advanced. We don't even know nor can perceive an iota of what the vedas are talking about.
Regards,
Jay

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Orginally posted by mercury6

Quote:
Orginally posted by knockout_Jay

Hi
That's an interesting question. If we refer to vedas, which are supposed to be one of most ancient scriptures, there is no mention of any religion anywhere. Vedas refer to dharma etc. ,not a religious seggregation of people based on thier faith. Vedas even go to the extent of defining god as Neti,Neti. That means, neither this, nor that.Actually,there is not even a single word about the possible existence of different faiths. So the one possible way to provide an origin to the religion based seggregation is fear and survival instincts as noted by others in this discussion.
Regards,
Jay




Very interesting. This could be the origin of why Hinduism is not a dogmatic religion and that its more a way of life than a religion.



the-entrepreneur   
Member since: Jul 04
Posts: 190
Location: Mississauga

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 16-10-04 07:41:38

The original original is "Who created religions"

Best answer so far IMO
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My input
THE ANWSWER IS "WE".



Above by VJ

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If we had not been there, would there have been religion?Would this topic be discussed?

All the other posts veer off the main query. But all make interesting reading, *damn* good reading.

My personal belief is that "God" is within you, also in the Vedas, at least in many translated versions.

Religion is a *deadly* topic.

I sign off as I have discussed this umpteen number of times and it all leads to nowhere, except that it serves as a mental exercise. But man, I'll keep areadin'.

BKB


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mercury6   
Member since: Jan 04
Posts: 2025
Location: State of Denial

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 16-10-04 10:02:27

Quote:
Orginally posted by knockout_Jay

Hi Mercury,
If we see the history of all the current religions in the world, we can see that India is the only country where new religions and languages are born out of it without any resistance. Most of the so called Hindus have never read the Vedas,yet understood the essence and hence the adoptation with open arms all kinds of religions.India has allowed the true liberation of the mind,where in, people were allowed to debate and question the vedic scriptures(mimansa). And they were allowed to form new religions or were allowed to practice foreign religions. Unlike christians,Hinduism as we know today also do not have the propagation mentality of spreading the religion across the world,in the garb of noble work. Even Christ never asked for that as we see in the bible. Today's hinduism or the original vedic philosophy never instructed any body to go to a temple so many times a day and to do mandatory prayers for being a pure religious person. It is a practical religion. Vested interests have created all the HINDU religious rules like who can read vedas and who can not. You will be amazed,if you read even the translated texts. We think that the current technology is advanced. We don't even know nor can perceive an iota of what the vedas are talking about.
Regards,
Jay




True that Hinduism is non-prosletysing in nature. A Very commendable thing indeed in an age where Both Christianity (through Evangelism) and Islam have been guilty of it.

About the Ritualism in most religions, it is definetely man made and therfore differs from region to region within the same religion.


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deepcb   
Member since: Mar 04
Posts: 142
Location: Dubai

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 17-10-04 07:19:40

Mercury,

If it is Fear.........then why many classifications / categories contradicting each other?


Deep

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Orginally posted by Interceptor

It might be fear but my answer is " Greed".


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the-entrepreneur   
Member since: Jul 04
Posts: 190
Location: Mississauga

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 17-10-04 20:43:34

Religion, very touchy subject. Right now we are in the midst of Ramadan and there are plenty of variations. The strict code is not to drink, not even water, nor eat anything. Though the vast majority adhere to not eating solid foods during daylight, it is only the very few that do not drink liquids as well. Then for Muslims- alcohol and pork is supposed to be “haraam”, but many drink alcohol though the vast majority stay away from pork as there are tastier alternatives such as chicken, mutton, beef, horse, camel, etc.Then there is the topic of interest . Too many Muslims in the world enjoy interest and indulge in its operations on a daily basis(Indonesia , with the largest Muslim pop is a prime example)

Whenever, most people think Muslim, the Middle East jumps to mind. But there are more liberal minded Muslims in the world. Egypt, Algeria, Morocco, Lebanon and from what I hear, Indonesia is the most liberal and industrious using indigenous human resources. Any desis who lived in Indonesia? I am led to believe there are many there. How about posting their practical, daily version of Muslim religion?

Desimisri


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