Who created religions


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jake3d   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 09-11-04 12:17:41

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Orginally posted by mercury6

I personally think events happen at random in the universe. Our mind is limited to see them only as cause-and-effect relationships or one with a definete begginig and end (as religious texts will tell you).




Its a line of thought I have considered. However, I now consider it as organised chaos, In which all are parts of the sum. e.g: the human body...digesting food, battling germs,sing a song, play an instrument and at the same time even be in the process of creating a baby(now dont think dirty :)...i'm talking about the biochemical process within) all apparently unrealted but still corelate together in an infinite organizing power. This power also holds the universal truth(which itself is a sum of parts and therefore open to a million interpretations). Am I making sense?
Anyway all this is limited by what we know and is only apparent or exists as long as our attention is on it.


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nehajain   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 09-11-04 15:37:09

I guess I was just trying to explain the question itself- who "created" religion? by saying that all social phenomenon is socially constructed. And also why- for regulating society and surviving it.

Now, about the question of who- We know that by early paleolithic age humans were ritually burying their dead. They realised there was something mysterious about it and therefore the concept of sacredness arose.
This led to a quest for understanding the nature of existence and different explanations were given, these resulted in some people thinking of one explanation as better than the other, dividing people in their beliefs- pretty educated ones too :). I think that this is what basically all religions are- doctrines that try to describe the nature of existence and beyond. Well! believing in different religions is not neccessarily a bad thing, it is just which explanation you feel is better or more applicable to your situation.

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Orginally posted by JSethi

Great going guyz.... Some really thought provoking insights into the subject. I must sa,yNeha you gave an altogether new perspective to the idea of religion which was very interesting....

The last two posts, one posted by space, which answered a question that was not asked, and second by rajuu, which even though was very interesting and enlightening seemed to go on a tangent.
I dont think anyone in the discussion has denied the presence of some power which makes the world go round ( literally !!!!:) ) whom most of us call God. Just to get the discussion back on track.... the topic of discussion is.... considering the fact that God is there, why was there this need of religions which ultimately have become a cheap means to dividing people, dividing pretty educated people for that matter.

So, guyz.... will request you to keep sending in your valuable comments. I am sure it will go a long way in clearing fog from some people's mind about the idea of religions.......

and again, Rajuu please dont get me wrong.... what you wrote was very good, interesting and educating but just confused a little between god and religion. My basic idea to spawn this thread was to drive this point home that one can be god fearing but not religious.... So friend apologies in advance if you dont like what I wrote.....


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JSethi   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 10-11-04 11:44:47

Has someone read "The Da Vinci Code"..... It contains some really amazing and startling facts about the topic being discussed.......

Higly recommended......


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mercury6   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 10-11-04 12:19:04

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Orginally posted by JSethi

Has someone read "The Da Vinci Code"..... It contains some really amazing and startling facts about the topic being discussed.......

Higly recommended......




I have it talked about. But most people were of the opinion that its a great work of fiction only.

In the same breath they recommended "Foucault's Pendulum" by Umberto Eco as being a similar work but better (yet still fiction).

Guess I will have to find out for myself.





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JSethi   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 10-11-04 12:55:29

Quote:
Orginally posted by mercury6

Quote:
Orginally posted by JSethi

Has someone read "The Da Vinci Code"..... It contains some really amazing and startling facts about the topic being discussed.......

Higly recommended......




I have it talked about. But most people were of the opinion that its a great work of fiction only.

In the same breath they recommended "Foucault's Pendulum" by Umberto Eco as being a similar work but better (yet still fiction).

Guess I will have to find out for myself.




Still, there are many startling things which are pure facts, at least dan brown claims that in the foreword of the book. Read it to believe it...... Will search for "Foucault's Pendulum" and see what it has in store.....
Thanks merc .....


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mercury6   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 11-11-04 12:48:20

Quote:
Orginally posted by jake3d


Its a line of thought I have considered. However, I now consider it as organised chaos, In which all are parts of the sum. e.g: the human body...digesting food, battling germs,sing a song, play an instrument and at the same time even be in the process of creating a baby(now dont think dirty :)...i'm talking about the biochemical process within) all apparently unrealted but still corelate together in an infinite organizing power. This power also holds the universal truth(which itself is a sum of parts and therefore open to a million interpretations). Am I making sense?
Anyway all this is limited by what we know and is only apparent or exists as long as our attention is on it.



The power holds the truth (which itself is a sum of parts).

Then the Universal truth is a sum of the good and bad reality.

From that reality, how does the power decide what is good and bad...especially for human?


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jake3d   
Member since: Sep 03
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Location: Montreal

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 11-11-04 13:24:19

Quote:
Orginally posted by mercury6

The power holds the truth (which itself is a sum of parts).

Then the Universal truth is a sum of the good and bad reality.

From that reality, how does the power decide what is good and bad...especially for human?



The power does not decide. All the power seeks to do is balance. The good and bad do not exist without each other and are open to change and interpretation in the continuim. Is this power GOD? Thats for each one of us to decide. All theists have our own interpretation of god anyway.

p.s: just my thoughts ...not anything tried and tested :)


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