Propaganda and war
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Posted on: 07-08-06 00:30:36
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Originally posted by BlueLobster
Yeah I did. Still can't get your point. Is it that every side uses Propaganda? Now that's hardly a revelation, in fact I think Jake mentioned that very fact in his initial posts.
So rather than spin our wheels, what would you like to see happen in the ME right now? What will peace cost?
No.
BTW, which posts of mine are you addressing.
You seem to be talking about others, while my response to Jake was on a particular aspect.
I posted that the basis of Modern Israel is in divine claims.
I was told it is propaganda. I replied it is not.
A zionist (supporter of Israel) will tell you just that.
Else, Why would they want to go back to that hole?
Its literally miles they are fighting for over there.
If you want to read more here it is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism
I dont have any idea what the solution as to the solution.
What do you think?
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Originally posted by Dr B Hadad
BTW, which posts of mine are you addressing.
You seem to be talking about others, while my response to Jake was on a particular aspect.
I'm not addressing any specific posts, just trying to get a glimpse of your position. Not sure if you have one or you're just making counter-points. And if the latter, I'm trying to understand why, which may shed some light on the former (i.e. your position)
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I posted that the basis of Modern Israel is in divine claims.
I was told it is propaganda. I replied it is not.
A zionist (supporter of Israel) will tell you just that.
Else, Why would they want to go back to that hole?
Its literally miles they are fighting for over there.
Maybe. But lets fast forward to the present. The fact is that Israel does exist. Regardless of whether nations like Iran or Syria or other accept it or choose to put a blindfold over their eyes.
Assume for a second though that Israel did not exist where it does OR all Israelis relocated to the South Pacific. Is there going to be peace in the world and are the terrorists going to take up farming? Nonsense! Extremism by definition stops only at utter dominance or destruction. There are no compromises. Israel's only a excuse/catalyst to a MUCH bigger agenda! We would've gotten to where we are today even if Israel had never existed....
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I dont have any idea what the solution as to the solution.
What do you think?
Simplistic but here goes...
1) The west MUST come down heavy handedly on the zealots who want absolute dominance and the fanatics who support them. If Israel is the extremist's excuse to wage a holy war, Israel should be the west's excuse to stop that war dead in its tracks.
This is for the sake of everyone (Hindus, Muslims, Chritians, Buddhists and atheists) who puke at the notion of religion being the synonym for dogma and a vehicle driving absolute control.
I hope Israel gets all the support it needs to rid itself of this terrorist menace. And I hope that happens in India and Africa and other places as well. Tip-toeing around the issue has done no good so far and its time to attack this head - on.
Its also time for nations like Russia and China (and even the US) to give up the political manoevering that serve short sighted national interests. Its high time these two countries stop stalling resolutions on Iran.
2) The West must pour support and finances into moderate Islam and nations that embrace a live-and-let-live policy.
3) There better be some freaking good research going on to find alternatives to oil to keep the planet running. When that dependecy in the equation is removed, 90% of the problems will solve themselves...
Maybe my views above are seriously flawed and I'm no strategist so they very well may be. But at least I have some views.
So now, what do you think?
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Originally posted by Dr B Hadad
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Originally posted by jake3d
What exactly is your point?
I meant what I said.
You whole purpose of starting this thread is to show that you are getting the wrong pictures and that media could be biased in its reporting.
But with your keen eye, you can notice both, the doctored and real parts of a photo, regardless of who is to blame for the death and destruction. If you hammer on one aspect of a photo, you are made to look biased, which is the beef you had in the first place.
Right or wrong?
My 'Hammering' on one aspect is bewcause I feel its is not getting adequate coverage in the media. If you have not figured out by now, I am totally biased towards Israels victory in this conflict. My problem is not that I am biased but that the media is. That was my purpose of the post. I hope thats clear as mud to you.
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Originally posted by Dr B Hadad
Zionism encompasses both the left and the right.
Yes, there are left wing zionists too.
It is a movement to restore Jews to their spiritual homeland.
Why else would they move to such a tiny hole?
Propaganda not. It is widely accepted.
Thats hogwash! Its widely accepted that America and Canada is founded on christian values. However, thats not the same as saying that all canadians and americans are christian supremacists and that GOD has given them the land. There ARE such supremacists but we'll come to that later.
The Israelis original claim to the area was religious+historical. Their current claim is their ability to hold onto it. Without their ability to hold onto the land, any other claim would just be theoretical. Regardless, you and Azazf are the ones concerned with 'rights' and 'wrong' claim to land. I have no illussions about the land 'belonging' to anyone except the one who can hold onto it.
Speaking about supremacists it seems like the Hindus, the Chrisitians and the Jews have all managed to keep their supremacists in check for the most part. Islam seems to have trouble doing so. I think it needs help and the rest of us should help. If they cannot take out their trash someone else has to step in for them.
Anyway, BL has articulated his stand which is similar to mine. Quite unambiguous and clear right? Whats your stand? Just that I am wrong or is there more to it than me
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looks like the latest plan has been rejected by the Hezbollah
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/world/story.html?id=ce7c9ce2-2357-4d25-8c13-8500d989149e&k=90456
good!
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Originally posted by Bluelobster
What choice does Israel have? If terrorists decide to hide within the civilian structure, what else are they supposed to do?
How can you be so sure that was the case.For instance the Qana bombings not one hezz guy died, which makes me believe they werent there.
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And Israel still is subject to a lot of criticism from the west when civilians get killed.
When you say the west are you referring to the government or the people living in these countries, cuz the views of the government are quite different from the people.
No matter what you do in todays world it is going to attract criticism, we see so many people opposing the narmada project when we all know it is for the greater good for gujrat maharashtra and MP.
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But when Hizb. fires rockets indicriminately into their land, not a single muslim nation will get up and criticize and disown them.
Thats not true either. There was plenty of opposition and criticism from the arab league and the arab countries about nasrallah's position when it all started. . But after seeing all the destruction by israel their position shifted towards Nasrallah. My next door neighbour's a lebanese family, at the onset of the incident they were opposed to hezs's position but now they see them as the saviour of the lebanon people, somebody who stood up againt the occupation. Cant blame them much for switching loyalties when few of your relatives are torn into pieces. Applies to both sides.
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Similarly in Iraq, there's a big ruckus (as there should be) over crimes committed by US soldiers. But every other day, the extremists set off bombs in all sort of public places killing civilians.
Actually they expelled two parliamentarians and put them behind bars for saying sympathetic things about abu musab zarqawi in Jordan. But I guess we all can see what we want to, whatever drives our self interest. By the way that has become a civil war/unrest in Iraq so that has become an altogether different ball game.
Do you think Saddam killed as many people during his regime as have been killed after iraq was invaded. I am starting to think Iraq was better off with Saddam then the state its in right now.
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I wonder if there are long documentaries about this and how ruthless the extremists are on Al-Jazeera. And that the Arab media dissects and strongly condemns these attacks and brands these people as the disgrace to their religion they are.
Not as much as you and I would want to but you see articles on al jazeera everyt now and then.
this one straight from saudi via jerusalem
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1154525810323&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
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I highly doubt it! That's what I meant when I made the rules of engagement point.
I still dont think it holds any ground, But thats just one mans opinion.
I personally feel if we all mind our own businesses rather then poking noses into others affair we wold be better off.
By the way was there a particular reason behind you editing my post?
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