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Posted on: 06-08-06 13:20:00
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Originally posted by jake3d
when innocent jews are killed its
"10 people have been killed in a barrage of Hezbollah rocket strikes on northern Israel. "
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5249972.stm
From the article:
"Israeli television said all those killed in the strike on the town of Kfar Giladi were reservist soldiers."
So why not say they are that. If you say people it is misleading, isnt it?
This assuming soldiers of all kinds are legitimate targets, right?
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Originally posted by jake3d
And welcome back....Dr.
Thats is my real name, you can say it aloud.
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Originally posted by Dr B Hadad
From the article:
"Israeli television said all those killed in the strike on the town of Kfar Giladi were reservist soldiers."
So why not say they are that. If you say people it is misleading, isnt it?
You just proved my point. All israeli men have to serve in the army for 3 yrs and be in reserves for 25...effectively all of them are justifiable targets.
Nevertheless, it could well have been a school because the Hezbollah does not have the ability for pinpoint missile strikes, like the Israelis.
My point is not if I am misleading or not...its that the western media appears to be so. Dr.B
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Originally posted by jake3d
You just proved my point. All israeli men have to serve in the army for 3 yrs and be in reserves for 25...effectively all of them are justifiable targets.
In the minds of the opposing force, yes.
However their is clear separation between a civilian and soldier at the time a hit occurs. So report it as such.
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Nevertheless, it could well have been a school because the Hezbollah does not have the ability for pinpoint missile strikes, like the Israelis.
Irrelevant. We are not discussing Hezz's intent or the lack of control on their rockets.
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My point is not if I am misleading or not...its that the western media appears to be so. Dr.B
You can always choose what you want to hear.
This is a distinct benefit of living in the developed world.
If someone feels most western media is BS, then they havent heard about Fox news which will satisfy any appetite one has for a counter to the said media. It is very popoular too. Why dont they watch it?
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Originally posted by Dr B Hadad
In the minds of the opposing force, yes.
However their is clear separation between a civilian and soldier at the time a hit occurs. So report it as such.
So you are saying that the Hezz is justified or not? OR are are you talking about my presentation of the case? Its interesting to note that you have not objected to my saying that all the deaths in Qana were innocent Lebanese.
Eitherway, 'war' is such that innocents die. Infact that would be the unavoidable truth of war and no one should even TRY to justify war without accepting that truth.
My beef is that(as BL said before) the 'rules of engagement' seem to apply only to one side...the Israelis.
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Irrelevant. We are not discussing Hezz's intent or the lack of control on their rockets.
If the intent is not questionable then the Qana deaths are completely justifiable too. Israel has nothing to gain at killing civilians in any part of lebanon. The mainstream media however does not think so(which is what I am pointing out). If Israel could ensure that ONLY the terrorists are killed...that would not put any international pressure on them at all.
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You can always choose what you want to hear.
This is a distinct benefit of living in the developed world.
If someone feels most western media is BS, then they havent heard about Fox news which will satisfy any appetite one has for a counter to the said media. It is very popoular too. Why dont they watch it?
I dont think many people look beyond the mainstream media(bbc/cnn). It probably IS a good thing for people to look at all sides and choose what their self-interest says is good for them. So I agree with you there that people look should beyond the mainstream media. Infact, my efforts(dictated by my self-interests) are aimed towards similar ends.
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Originally posted by jake3d
So you are saying that the Hezz is justified or not? OR are are you talking about my presentation of the case? Its interesting to note that you have not objected to my saying that all the deaths in Qana were innocent Lebanese.
Eitherway, 'war' is such that innocents die. Infact that would be the unavoidable truth of war and no one should even TRY to justify war without accepting that truth.
I said what I said. If it is a soldier dead , report it as such. Otherwise reprot it as a civillian. This applies for both sides. I pointed it out in the BBC article because you didnt. You were comparing death of soldeirs to the the Qana incident. Not a fair comparison.
I meant that it would be to Israel's benefit to portray the killed as
"people" instead of soldiers.
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If the intent is not questionable then the Qana deaths are completely justifiable too. Israel has nothing to gain at killing civilians in any part of lebanon. The mainstream media however does not think so(which is what I am pointing out). If Israel could ensure that ONLY the terrorists are killed...that would not put any international pressure on them at all.
The intent is questionable on both sides, its just that we (or at least me) are not discussing that.
You have the right to your beef.
I have no beef with that.
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Originally posted by Dr B Hadad
I meant that it would be to Israel's benefit to portray the killed as
"people" instead of soldiers.
Not true,
You have to bear in mind this is not just plain war.
If the civilians start seeing this they might think about pulling the plug on the offensive.
It already has taken way too much then they had thought it would.Although I see it ending becuase hezbollah throwing in missiles the long range ones as a last ditch effort, but thats me then.
Israel's being playing this cat and mouse game for years and they are experienced at it so they know what they are doing.
Considering all the technology that they possess. I find it hard to believe they hit missiles in qana by mistake. I would have to say there werent kids and women there but hezbollah men dressed as them. Israel would not make a stupid mistake. They know who they are going after just as american soldiers.
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Originally posted by Azazf
Not true,
You have to bear in mind this is not just plain war.
If the civilians start seeing this they might think about pulling the plug on the offensive.
It already has taken way too much then they had thought it would.Although I see it ending becuase hezbollah throwing in missiles the long range ones as a last ditch effort, but thats me then.
I think the Israeli leadership and generals have public opinion well behind them, barring small small groups of anti-war folks.
The Israelis see this as a fight for their very survival as a nation.
There is NO need of any propaganda for internal consumption.
But how they present an event to the outside can and does matter.
Thats why i said "Soldiers" doesnt nearly matter as much as "People" or "Civillians".
If anything should have changed Israeli public opinion it would have been the fact that even after 3 weeks of heavy bombardment and land incursions, the rockets are still coming in and in even larger numbers and further into Northern Israel.
It didnt.
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