rashmig   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 21-09-06 22:53:52

Senappa: You are right that one can't make big prepayments by "savings" in a home ownership situation- that is why I referred to bonuses/lump-sum monies. I wish Canada had similar mortgage-interest tax deduction law as US -then this discussion would have been entirely academic.

For the mortgage/bank-balance heart beat, I think people who have done their budgeting/financial planning well should not be in that situation. As for unanticipated circumstances - if it is just a question of liquidity for a month or two, then one can use the line of credit. If the unfortunate situation is long-term than one is in trouble anyways irrespective of the mortgage amount.

Anyhows, I am first time buyer too - and it seems irrespective of how one goes about the process, "on-a-wing-and-a-prayer" is a big part of it :)



Pramod Chopra   
Member since: Sep 03
Posts: 1284
Location: Pickering, ON

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 22-09-06 13:37:27

Quote:
Originally posted by rashmig

Senappa: You are right that one can't make big prepayments by "savings" in a home ownership situation- that is why I referred to bonuses/lump-sum monies. I wish Canada had similar mortgage-interest tax deduction law as US -then this discussion would have been entirely academic.

For the mortgage/bank-balance heart beat, I think people who have done their budgeting/financial planning well should not be in that situation. As for unanticipated circumstances - if it is just a question of liquidity for a month or two, then one can use the line of credit. If the unfortunate situation is long-term than one is in trouble anyways irrespective of the mortgage amount.

Anyhows, I am first time buyer too - and it seems irrespective of how one goes about the process, "on-a-wing-and-a-prayer" is a big part of it :)




The mortgage is not tax deductible in Canada but you do not pay any tax on Capital Gains when you sell your principal residence. In US you have the mortgage tax deductible but I believe you end up paying tax (capital gains) on the profit when you sell your house.

However, even in Canada, there are strategies like Smith Manoeuvre which can make make your mortgage tax deductible and can help you increase your net worth significantly and can also help you to pay down your mortgage sooner than later.



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Pramod Chopra
Senior Mortgage Consultant
Mortgage Alliance Company of Canada



hchheda   
Member since: Aug 05
Posts: 2245
Location: Woodbridge

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 22-09-06 16:09:02

Dear Chandresh and Pramodji,

I have sent emails to you. Please comment when convienent.

Rgds,
Hiren



Pramod Chopra   
Member since: Sep 03
Posts: 1284
Location: Pickering, ON

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 22-09-06 17:35:35

Quote:
Originally posted by hchheda

Dear Chandresh and Pramodji,

I have sent emails to you. Please comment when convenient.

Rgds,
Hiren




Hiren,

I have already replied to your email.

That's a nice attempt by you for mortgage payments. However your calculator is compounding the interest monthly and not semi-annually as the interest is charged in Canada on FIXED RATE MORTGAGES.

However, on VARIABLE RATE MORTGAGES some banks compound the interest monthly while other compound it semi-annually. The general client does not realize this and end up paying much more interest on his/her mortgage if he/she chooses variable products from these banks. Moreover, some banks ( not all the banks) also charge a surcharge on CMHC premium. We advise our clients to look for these things when choosing high ratio variable rate mortgage.





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hchheda   
Member since: Aug 05
Posts: 2245
Location: Woodbridge

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 22-09-06 19:19:08

Thanks Pramodji for your valued comments.

I pointed this in your email reply as well - interest rate when compounded monthly works in favour of the payee - correct me if I am wrong.

Regarding additional charges by banks, that is another reason why I chose to 're-invent the wheel' so that I can compare the differences and know exactly what I am paying more. I am sure no lender gives you all the breakup upfront - if not requested specifically.

Thanks again for your email reply and your comments.

Hiren



rashmig   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 23-09-06 10:56:12


Thanks Pramod.

I like the Smith Manouvere but it is a pretty aggressive leveraging strategy and clearly not for faint-of-heart or financially unsophisticated :))

I think a modified Smith Manouvere is better where you add the monthly equity to a pre-existing portfolio (e.g. equity mutual funds)- otherwise I can't imagine being able to use $200-$300/month to buy any investment without frittering away high percentage of $ on commission and fees. Also, I think for it to really work, one would have to have a bank/lender offer readvances on fairly low rates/fees and then invest in stable vehicles with the discipline of re-investing the tax refund back in either the mortgage or the portfolio.

I am quite intrigued with the idea and I was wondering if we can have a bit more discussion on it. Are there any CD member who has used it successfully/ unsuccessfully and if they' be willing to share their experiences and relevant information.

On a related but different note, could any of the CD members please give more details about CMHC surcharge - what% it is and if it is negotiable. Thanks.



Pramod Chopra   
Member since: Sep 03
Posts: 1284
Location: Pickering, ON

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 23-09-06 11:13:06

Quote:
Originally posted by hchheda

Thanks Pramodji for your valued comments.

I pointed this in your email reply as well - interest rate when compounded monthly works in favour of the payee - correct me if I am wrong.

Regarding additional charges by banks, that is another reason why I chose to 're-invent the wheel' so that I can compare the differences and know exactly what I am paying more. I am sure no lender gives you all the breakup upfront - if not requested specifically.

Thanks again for your email reply and your comments.

Hiren



Hi Hiren,

If the interest rate is compounded monthly on mortgages, it would alwayes benefit the lender.

I think you are confusing it with compound interest you get on your deposit. When you deposit some amount in Fixed Deposit with the bank, then you become the lender and the monthly compounding then would work in YOUR FAVOUR and NOT THE BANK as the bank then becomes the payee.

I differ on this as well. If you specifically ask the banks, they are bound to give you the correct picture but generally lay man do not ask about it or do not know what to ask.

On the other hand, a mortgage broker like a real estate agent or an insurance broker is your representative and would work for your best interest even if he gets paid by the banker, the seller of the house or the insurance company as the case me be as he is helping them in finding a client (you) and he gets compensated a finder fee, which you DO NOT pay.

Hence, an ethical mortgage broker would always try to save you money and get the best deal possible as he wants you to become his referral source for his future earnings. You will only refer him to your friends and relatives, if he has worked in your best interests. Hence it is paramount for him to work in your interest as ultimately it would keep on serving his own interest in future as well.







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Pramod Chopra
Senior Mortgage Consultant
Mortgage Alliance Company of Canada




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