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Posted on: 19-05-08 15:00:52
Putto
You will find the same information on Indian History websites. Basically only Adivasis are Native inhabitants of Sub Continental India. Everyone else Dravidians , Aryans , Sakas , Hun's , Mughals, British etc have moved in from Europe or Asia at different periods in time.
So history of India is similar to the History of North America.
So when a Indian Immigrates to europe he is just going back home 
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Loser the link you have put up is from one of the Pakistani websites, they have a different prespective on history. They have to show that their area was never part of Indian subcontinent, so they come up with these theories. They consider themselves part of arabia and not aryans ..... funnily the Iranians are proud of being Aryans apart from Indians, so dont know how an arabic community sprung up between iran and india. So take this info with a pinch of salt ...
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Originally posted by puttoo
Loser the link you have put up is from one of the Pakistani websites, they have a different prespective on history. They have to show that their area was never part of Indian subcontinent, so they come up with these theories. They consider themselves part of arabia and not aryans ..... funnily the Iranians are proud of being Aryans apart from Indians, so dont know how an arabic community sprung up between iran and india. So take this info with a pinch of salt ...
The Indian version of history is no less biased. The actual truth is probably somewhere in between.
Anyway here is another site with maps of the indian subcontinent at various times. Look at the 9th century maps. Arabs of Mansurah and Multan in the the area of sindh
http://www.mapsofindia.com/history/index.html
Also, before the british, the closest match of Ashoka's (buddhist) empire, which encompasses most of modern day India, seems to be the mughal empire at the end of the 17th century and Bin Tighlaqs empire in the 1335.
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Jake this is a historical fact that the arabs conquered this area in 8th century AD ..... they conquered persia before they came to sindh..... but then today you ask any persian or iranian he does not call himself an arab or even consider themselves an arabic desent. They have a seperate identity so have the people of pakistan. But the identity of people of Paksitan is connected with everyone in the sub continent which they somehow want to dispel.
Loser ... yes India is a land of immigrants ..... but then excepting the British, everyone else made India their home and assimilated here. So developed an Indian identity.
As for the article it says rajputs came from Russia in 5 - 6 century ...... a large ethnic group in Pakistan are Rajputs .... so it suits them to identify themselves as people who came from outside and were converted to hinduism and then they converted to Islam . So this way they show they have no connection to the vast poplution in Indian sub-continent.
This was one of the reasons they lost Bangladesh. They wanted to stress the islamic / arabic identity while as the Bangla people were proud of their heritage and language. You know when Paksitan became independent, even though more then 50% of the popluation spoke Bangla, it was not a national language!!!!
Now this would take the discussion into a different level so would stop here.
Just wanted to add something from this website ... read this
" In valour and patriotism the people of these lands have been second to none. It was the people of the Indus Valley that held back the Aryans for decades" ...
Read full here http://www.geocities.com/pak_history/Intro.html
now refer to any history book and any source on history and try to tell me where did you read that people of indus valley fought the Aryans ......
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Originally posted by puttoo
Jake this is a historical fact that the arabs conquered this area in 8th century AD ..... they conquered persia before they came to sindh..... but then today you ask any persian or iranian he does not call himself an arab or even consider themselves an arabic desent. They have a seperate identity so have the people of pakistan. But the identity of people of Paksitan is connected with everyone in the sub continent which they somehow want to dispel.
True everyone indulges in revisionist history to make their perspectives seem more plausible. However, it is also true that especially in the NWFP the ethnic makeup is closer to europe (caucasoid) and mongolia(mongloid) than the indian subcontinent. In that sense they are probably more Persian than Arab. But really the difference is not that great when we consider that many Indians also call themselves of Aryan descent and so do Germans.
Ultimately its probably more what you want to call yourself isnt it?
The 'Indian Identity' itself took root only after the British landed. If there was any 'Indian Identity' the British would not be able to establish themselves like they did. Even now there are hold outs against this 'Indian Identity' in many parts of India.
I think we are all over the place. Someone who is looking to read about 'Mother Teresa' is going to be be sorely disappointed.
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Originally posted by puttoo
Just wanted to add something from this website ... read this
" In valour and patriotism the people of these lands have been second to none. It was the people of the Indus Valley that held back the Aryans for decades" ...
Read full here http://www.geocities.com/pak_history/Intro.html
now refer to any history book and any source on history and try to tell me where did you read that people of indus valley fought the Aryans ......
Out of curiosity I conferred with my friend google....
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Ithaca/1335/Hist/fall_ind.html
http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/southasia/History/Ancient/Indus2.html
http://history-world.org/indus_valley.htm
etc etc.
Also found counter arguments
http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/ancient/indus/indus_civ.html
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http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/ancient/aryan/aryan_frawley.html
and the above link nixes any aryan 'invasion' and says that dravidians were aryans too.
However, whatever it is, I find it mind-boggling that the concepts of Sanatana dharma could be even older than they are thought to be. Most other ideologies still pale in comparision (well atleast according to me). Sanatana Dharma talked about one 'universal truth/god' long before anyone else. It also gave one the freedom to find the way to it from multiple paths. Amazing! Especially when you consider that newer religions insist only on one way to the exclusion of all others (at least the way they are popularly interpreted).
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