Hindustan - A foreigner's view


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chandresh   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 09-02-05 16:48:09

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Orginally posted by dp_jain

I am really sorry to see that out of close to 12000 members only two members read this article and commented upon. It is really apathetic to see. Where are our learned members who write posts after posts on issues such as Veg/Non-veg, gay marriages etc.

When we talk about our culture, ancient history and Hinduism most of us try to keep mum.:(





Nothing personal against you Jain Sahab - but reading the comments of people, I don't want to read the article atall - if it contains a mixture of politics and religion - that is the worst combination.

And remember, one can be Indian, without being Hindu, just as one can be Hindu without being Indian, and even those Indians who are Hindus should not, in my opinion mix religion and culture with politics (which any case is a dirty thing)

Chandresh


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DiogenestheCynic   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 09-02-05 18:16:14

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Orginally posted by desi71
we have enough JaiChands(Gaddar)in india and out side,,who joined the British army when freedom fighters were fighting for India


I think quite a few people have some very mistaken notions about British Rule. They tend to equate it slavery almost. India under the British rule was not bad. Show me one person who can say that the administration and living conditions under British rule were "bad". People forget that even under British rule, Indians were allowed to hold good government jobs. The only restriction, IMHO was they kept the administration and control in their hands, which again IMHO we should realize was a good thing when we compare the efficiency and corruption of that time with what happened over the last 50 years after they left.
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Orginally posted by desi71
who is trying to converts hidus to other religions
untill these gaddars not out from india nothing will improve


Christian religion recommends requires that all persons become Christians. From the point of view of Christianity, people can be saved only if they accept Jesus as their saviour. Therefore, from the Christian missionary's point of view, what he is attempting is actually for your own good. He is trying to save you! What is wrong if he does that as long as as he does not use brute force or other illegitimate means. Rather than ask the missionary not to try to convert, why don't you question the Hindu who accedes to the conversion. Why can't you give that Hindu whatever he seems to get from conversion?


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BlueLobster   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 09-02-05 20:41:48

Although I don't think this thread is propaganda, it would be a good idea staying from such emotionally charged topics that

1) are mostly fruitless, i.e. lead to no resolution
2) offend the religious sensitivities of others

It is heartening to see that many other members feel the same way. Really, the purpose we are trying to serve here requires all of us to work with eachother. Canadiandesi is a great example of how people from different religions, communities and nationalities can work with eachtother to achieve something really productive and I 'm sure you guys will agree that we should strive to keep it that way.

Most of the threads on religion end up being locked up by moderators for a very valid reason. I hope this one does not.


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smartalec   
Member since: Sep 04
Posts: 67
Location: Toronto

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 09-02-05 21:48:26

I second the Moderators and Senior Desis are right when it comes their opinion this is a highly charged article and religion and politics when it comes any country is not something to be commented on. Currently I dont see links to facts as numbers are given in the article but I dont see this in any newspapers in India atleast. It was a political move during the election time and all know what that means for the opposition :) Cmon guys India what it is now is great and till nobody harms its economy at the moment everything will be fine.

When it comes to Benny Hinn trust me he is not he looks like



dp_jain   
Member since: Jan 04
Posts: 418
Location: Brampton

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 09-02-05 22:07:58

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Orginally posted by crenshaw

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Orginally posted by dp_jain

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When we talk about our culture, ancient history and Hinduism most of us try to keep mum.:(



and DP Jain appears to be trying to stoke it!




How did you say I appeared to be trying to stock? Do you think providing a link and inviting member's comment is something bd or provoking somebosy's sentiments. If this is the case than so many members on this forum have done it in past and have still been doing. Did I cut any derogatory comment? What most of the members are doing on this forum except commnting rude?


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dp_jain   
Member since: Jan 04
Posts: 418
Location: Brampton

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 09-02-05 22:20:28

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Orginally posted by chandresh

Quote:
Orginally posted by dp_jain

I am really sorry to see that out of close to 12000 members only two members read this article and commented upon. It is really apathetic to see. Where are our learned members who write posts after posts on issues such as Veg/Non-veg, gay marriages etc.

When we talk about our culture, ancient history and Hinduism most of us try to keep mum.:(





Nothing personal against you Jain Sahab - but reading the comments of people, I don't want to read the article atall - if it contains a mixture of politics and religion - that is the worst combination.

And remember, one can be Indian, without being Hindu, just as one can be Hindu without being Indian, and even those Indians who are Hindus should not, in my opinion mix religion and culture with politics (which any case is a dirty thing)

Chandresh



Very well written, Chandresh. And about the article, it is your choice to read it or not. If you go on majority of opinion, it is something very good particulary in current democratic world. But, who cares for majority? Perhaps most of the respected and senior members on this forum have not been caring for majority opinins and been behaving undemocratically.

Nothing personal to any body. My personal opinion and experience.


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mercury6   
Member since: Jan 04
Posts: 2025
Location: State of Denial

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 10-02-05 01:45:22

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Orginally posted by jake3d


This evangelical movement is highly fractured even in the US. Try asking some republicans what they think of Hinn and you will get assorted viewpoints :D . Many of them not very complimentary to hinn.

That being said, this is India we are talking about. Where people will go pray to mount mary church on wednesday and the next tuesday they are in the lineup at the siddhivinayak temple. In hinduism there are no conflicts in praying to the many forms of god. Most hindus are not fanatic about everyone having to follow their customs simply because there are so many and any addition is assimilated into the mix. I think this attitude is the inherent survival mechanism within hinduism.

There is nothing that Hinn can do that the various invaders and visitors have not tried through the ages. Even after british and muslim rule lasting for centuries an overwhelming percentage of the population choose to remain hindus. The current efforts in converting may prove even less effective since it cannot be enforced like a cpl of centuries ago. Seriously did anyone look into how many converts hinn has had in india...i would guess its not very much.

I think that a big reason for all this is that hinduism fulfills the spiritual needs of most of its followers via its religious and cultural aspects. Its not very easy to shake such deep and time tested foundations(going back more than 7000yrs). Even converts to most other religions retain facets of hindu culture in their daily life.



Well, it (the Ev movement) has enough sway to make a difference in tight elections. You are right if we speak to republicans inthe city they will say about Mr Hinn what we all think. Go towards the country side or the midwest and attitudes change dramatically. The Evangelical movement is symbolic as much as it is about grassroots mobilization of voters. The religious right combined with Gun nuts (who are both city and rural folks) make for what we are getting now.

I know we are talking about India , but there is a subtle link to why I said all this. Benny Hinn and his ilk have grown considerably since Bush came to power. India is just one stop, he is all over. I am just making the point that he just might not be so had Bush not come into power. Emerging markets...:D

Anyways, he is free to do it as long as the law of the land allows it.

I also agree he will make a very very small dent in India.


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