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Posted on: 10-06-05 00:21:38
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Orginally posted by mercury6
Charlie, where do you work?
Do you find any similarity with what I said?
I work in one of the magna warehouse. And absolutely the setup described by you is similar to my experience. In the true labour job at my work place is decanting of bins, i.e from a bin of large number of parts small boxes of average 25 lbs are made and staked on skids. In this job there are 3 Indians and 1 W I. In other shift 1 Chinese, 1 W.I and 1 Pakistani work. No white has ever come in last 1 year to work there. Yes a white recently joined as forlift operator.
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You see what I am saying. negative comments have already hit the site. yes it is possible to get a job from another country, I have had 2 telephone interviews and like I said will be coming for a fact finding holiday in september. I have informed both the companies that they will have a chance to see me face to face.
I am not sure of one of the jobs, and it is my right to reject their proposal if needed. I am not in a hurry to move to canada, so I can use my time constructivly to gleam the facts, find out what the environment is etc. Never hurry into a situation and like crenshaw say's, if you end up there and have no job, need the income, you will apply for a factory job as you think it is the norm as everyone on CD says so.
What I gather after that is your "Canadian Experience" is working in a factory, therefore you have already put yourself in a negative light when you apply to a possible recruiter.
I'm not saying my approach is the way you should do things. The type of person I know I am, I say to myself, this is right for me. Everyones different, some are lucky, some are happy to graft and feel happy they are at least in a different country. Posting negative remarks may make you feel better about the situation your in, but again, are you creating an image of what real life is.
Through my networking I asked a person who lives in Vancouver, whether he has payed this site a visit and what he thought of it? response, not comments he would like potential imigrants to see, why, on the whole a negative potrayal of desi folk in Canada.
I like paying this site a visit as it does highlight possible pitfalls and also what I should not do.
Any more winning folk no whinners. Thanx
The few companies I have worked for in Canada on contract or temp basis, I have found similarities with what Mercury and Charlie have written - heavy manual work is VM dominated while supervisory or light manual work is dones by whites (any ethnic background).
While it is the truth - I am surprised at the management of these companies. Wouldn't it be beneficial (assuming that the wages are linked to the job and not to ethnic background) to employ the tougher built Euopeans and Africans for the heavy manual work, and supervisory and light manual work for the Asians? To me it will make more sense to use the sheer physical power of Europeans and Africans for doing heavy manual work smoothly and more efficiently and use the Asian professionals in jobs where brain is more useful than brawn. This will also go well with the inbuilt nature of these ethnic groups - atleast my experience shows that such heavy built white/blacks detest 'thinking' work while the browns detest 'lifting' work.
Chandresh
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Orginally posted by chandresh
While it is the truth - I am surprised at the management of these companies. Wouldn't it be beneficial (assuming that the wages are linked to the job and not to ethnic background) to employ the tougher built Euopeans and Africans for the heavy manual work, and supervisory and light manual work for the Asians?
you contradict yourself dont you? Should jobs be assigned on basis of ethnic bg?
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To me it will make more sense to use the sheer physical power of Europeans and Africans for doing heavy manual work smoothly
Arent we generalising? Most of the guys I work with would not stand a day of heavy manual work.
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and more efficiently and use the Asian professionals in jobs where brain is more useful than brawn.
Note that those asian professionals applied for those lifting jobs. Again should jobs be assigned on basis of race ?
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This will also go well with the inbuilt nature of these ethnic groups -
this will probably go well with the aspirations of the professional migrants who find themselves in the situation of looking for jobs in the factories(and probably nothing to do with 'inbuilt nature' or ethinicity)
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atleast my experience shows that such heavy built white/blacks detest 'thinking' work while the browns detest 'lifting' work.
Chandresh
Again arent we generalising? I get the gist of what you are trying to say(and know you absolutely mean NO harm)...that it makes sense to give physically demanding jobs to physically well built people(or those who have the stamina/ or are used to and conditioned to doing such work). Note I said nothing about ethinicity here. When I did my stint in one of those jobs...I was always given the more physically demanding work compared to the lesser buit desis I worked with. That makes sense.
However you are treading on really shaky ground when you assign these attributes to race. A 300 pound Polish or African proffessor(in his home country) may detest such jobs just as much as any asian.
My brother... a malayalee is 6'5+ and approx 300 pounds...I dont think he would like to do labor jobs inspite of his sterling qualifications
.The point I am making is that if we generalise on basis of race(even though it seems benign in this case), we open the doors for people to generalise about us too...this may not always be harmless.
I know you are talking about the kind of asian professionals that migrate here, but there were far too many generalisations in there leaving an open field for some of our other members to take off on similar but more harmful rants.
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Orginally posted by jake3d
When I did my stint in one of those jobs...I was always given the more physically demanding work compared to the lesser buit desis I worked with. That makes sense.
So..everybody has to go thru the Canadian Phase. That has made you humble and understanding of situation.
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2 things i would lke to add.
1) In the last year or so, VMs are almost the only ones coming in for heavy work with the odd white guy showing up.
VMs here include the new qualified people coming in from India, Pak, Sri Lanka etc, 2nd generation VMs and blacks.
2) VMs who have been there for a long time are themselves to blame for not getting into supervisory or team lead roles. I always wondewred why this was?
AObviously the supervisory team is almost 100% white (with a lone black guy), so they dont want to get into the office and have to play politics. I saw this confirmed recently when a VM was trained for 2 weeks for a team lead position. At the end he said he didnt want it. I thought that was stupid. They seem to be happy to get their 20 - 25 dollar/ hr with generous benefits and drive all day (They literally sit and drive) and go home. They have houses , cars, sons and daughters who have grown up and are now employed (i.e. in the Canadian mainstream). The other reason is the team lead positions pay about the same. YOu get some intangible benefits, some extra clout, you sit inside an air conditioned office instead of driving in the dirty, dusty floor, etc...
They figured they dont need that.
I always though that If I was a full time employee of a company and had been they for 5 or more years , i would like to move up.
So at least in this area VMs cannot complain.
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Orginally posted by jake3d
Again arent we generalising? I get the gist of what you are trying to say(and know you absolutely mean NO harm)...that it makes sense to give physically demanding jobs to physically well built people(or those who have the stamina/ or are used to and conditioned to doing such work). Note I said nothing about ethinicity here. When I did my stint in one of those jobs...I was always given the more physically demanding work compared to the lesser buit desis I worked with. That makes sense.
Yes true, I am GENERALISING and nothing more. That itself leads to the point that you have agreed to - to give physically demanding jobs to physically well built people - and generally speaking, Europeans and Africans are physically well built people. So are Sikhs from India - and such jobs could go to them too - but yes I am generalising because each race has its generalizations. Asians are generally brown - though we find really fair (white??) Asians, as well as really dark (black??) Asians too. Euopeans are generally white and Africans are generally black. These are all generalisations - and based on these generalisations, businesses are run. (Why it would be almost impossible to find a trouser of 50inch waist or a bra of 38DD in Singapore or Indonesia, but not in Canada?)
Two years ago, I used to work for a foam fabricating company. They had a very clear policy- though purely based on generalisations- they chose African for physically demanding work like 'closing a mattres' (it is a technical terms when you use a sewing machine to stitch the sides of a mattress, which requires physical strength) and for loading the same in trucks, for other manual work they used Asian men, for lighter manual work or drawings, they used females, for selling in local market they used 'whites'. And I personally think that such a policy worked better than any other, simply because GOD has made us all different with different weakness and different strengths. So WHY NOT USE GENERALISATIONS for running day to day business, but make exceptions when needed or opportunity arises itself?
Chandresh
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