A star immigrant gives up on Canada
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Posted on: 09-06-05 09:23:57
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Orginally posted by crenshaw
My views are also influenced by extensive dealings with external consultants where I meet literally dozens of first generation immigrants -from Indians, Brits, to Germans and a range of other nationalities, so I'm quite aware that neither are there NO jobs for immigrants nor is it IMPOSSIBLE for an immigrant to find professional work.
If you can form views by your personal extensive dealings with successful immigrants then why it is so hard for you to accept views of other CD members on their very personal experience. If they see 90%, 80% or 40% immigrants in factory job why do you always ask them to substantiate figure from some reliable source. As you are also in habit of drawing picture from you personal experience. Don't you feel other members should have same freedom to do so on this forum.
BTW, I have not seen any Brit or German in factory job. So skin color does help in getting job.
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Orginally posted by Charlie
If you can form views by your personal extensive dealings with successful immigrants then why it is so hard for you to accept views of other CD members on their very personal experience. If they see 90%, 80% or 40% immigrants in factory job why do you always ask them to substantiate figure from some reliable source. As you are also in habit of drawing picture from you personal experience. Don't you feel other members should have same freedom to do so on this forum.
BTW, I have not seen any Brit or German in factory job. So skin color does help in getting job.
I have no issue with anyone who puts their personal experiences. I respond when the likes of you come along and say that "ONLY illiterate people like Canada because they have low expectations" or that there are "NO jobs".
Posting 'statistics' out of the top of your head (like 99%, 80%, 70% etc) and making exaggerated statements like the above might make you ‘feel good’ in the short term. In the longer run, you’ll probably get complacent ‘assuming’ that ALL (or 90% or 80% or whatever) of professional Indian immigrants are ‘doing mazdoori’ and therefore you’re in the right place.
Try looking at it differently, realize that this is not the case, realize that you probably have some shortcomings that prevent you from finding work of your choice and work on them. If that still doesn’t work, cut your losses and move, rather than continuing a miserable existence – unless you are not wanted where you came from.........
As far as your allegations of racism go……..Italians and Portuguese dominate the construction worker industry. They make a great deal of money doing it. You are trying to make it seem like there are no whites in factory jobs and nothing could be further from the truth.
Indian graduates probably end up as factory workers because the likes of you make it seem like ‘ALL Indian professionals’ are doing just that in Canada. A new immigrant comes in, walks into a ghetto, assumes that a factory job is the only thing going around and the cycle repeats itself.
My 2 cents........
thats true and i made sure i was not going to be a part of the ghetto from the beginning.
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Orginally posted by crenshaw
Indian graduates probably end up as factory workers because the likes of you make it seem like ‘ALL Indian professionals’ are doing just that in Canada. A new immigrant comes in, walks into a ghetto, assumes that a factory job is the only thing going around and the cycle repeats itself.
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Yes that is what they do for atleast a year or so before getting re-certification ..... upgradation and able to take up entry level job. I am yet to find a white in factory job. Do you challenge me for that then please come with me and visit facotry to see who are contributing to factory labour.
IMO federal govt has allocated sufficient funds for an immigrant to use for settlement in their respective field BUT how many of them are utilising it is a big Q.
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Orginally posted by Charlie
Yes that is what they do for atleast a year or so before getting re-certification ..... upgradation and able to take up entry level job. I am yet to find a white in factory job. Do you challenge me for that then please come with me and visit facotry to see who are contributing to factory labour.
IMO federal govt has allocated sufficient funds for an immigrant to use for settlement in their respective field BUT how many of them are utilising it is a big Q.
Thanks for the offer but I’m not going to spend my time visiting factories with you. I’m not a social scientist and couldn’t care to be one. If you want to believe that there are NO whites in a factory job and that makes you feel better about your current position, that’s your business, live on in your ghetto.
Its nice to see however, that you acknowledge that the government spends money on immigrant settlement programs. You also acknowledge that immigrants don’t access those resources. Spare a thought for the fact that immigrants who came in during the 70s and 80s never got that hand-holding.
How does charlie's comments amount to living in a ghetto?
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Just to clarify Charlies remark about presence of local (non-mnority) canadians in actual labor jobs.
I will just talk about the place where I work. It might be different in other places and factories.
From a warehouse perspective, the floor work in generally divided into two types.
First is the ACTUAL labor jobs which is what the word suggests. From light physical work to heavy under good to not very good conditions. This type is overwhelmingly manned by visible minorities. Examples would be picking, loading a truck or shipping (extremely physical) and unloading (receiving). the first two have a time constraint on them. Unloading doesnt have that. So even if the product is heavy , you can take your own time.
Second type would be the support jobs which are distinct from the first type by the absence of physical work. Example of support jobs would be driving a forklift, stocking or replenishing a product. This type is seems to be divided pretty evenly between visible minorities and the locals. the only thing to note is that the VMs who do get this kind of jobs usually have been there for ever. Upwards of 5-10 years. Some of them have been there for an average of 20 years. One Guy I know has been there for 29 andanother for 35 years resp. Recently They hired a bunch of people like us as full time (a requirement to get into support jobs). These guys have been here for about 2 years. They are assigned a mix of both types of work
On the other hand a local guy can come in (agency or otherwise) and within a few weeks he would be found in the second type.
Funny, isnt it?
I see this happening at an alarming rate.
Common thing about both types is that it is really very easy , repetitive kind of work. Requires a week or two of training. You learn subtle things as you go along. The actual training on say the biggest forklift truck ( a highly prized job) is only a few hours. Also both types require no educational qualifications at all.
There are also maintenance folks , technicians , basically semi skilled type.
Manual workd is involved but not considered labor per se.
Remember no 100% here. But labor jobs are mostly dominated (albeit unwillingly) by VMs.
You also get some students coming in every now and then. Only a few of them last for any amount of time.
Even otherwise the turnover of agency employees is very high.
Charlie, where do you work?
Do you find any similarity with what I said?
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