Good Bye Canada...I m back in India
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Posted on: 03-05-05 13:47:31
Immigrating anywhere involves decisions that take a huge amount of time, effort and drain your abilities to use resources. However, if depsite all this you have come to a point where you thought that India was still the best option for you, why take the trouble of going through the process of immigating to Canada. Success, anywhere, is the sum total of your motivation, hard work, efforts and capabilities to strike it out. If for some reason India still seems to be the better option then do stick to your point. Canada will still survive.
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Pray as if everything depended on GOD
Then work, as if everything depends on you!!!
Crenshaw seemed blunt but what he said what right maybe one should not take it too personally. Sometimes truth stares rudely in the eye but you know how it catches you up. Relax.
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Pray as if everything depended on GOD
Then work, as if everything depends on you!!!
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In my 10 yrs of work experience from being a junior programmer to being a CTO of a company, nobody has ever pointed out (except since I have come to Canada. I was in the US before and originally from India) that English is such a big issue. The only thing employers wanted was can I get the task done.
Its difficult to believe that u were a CTO with 10 yrs of experience in the US and you had a difficult time finding a job in Canada. When will this country wake up and start recognising the skills of immigrants.
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Now after 4 yrs been in Canada (same problems of not finding a job) I switched my career. Went to school 2 yrs back and finally now got my first break but on a very junior level. Even in this place, it's all mixed ppl. from here, china, india .......... but never see any problems arising because of that because the company wants the work done.
So what field did u switch to? Well the one thing that can be said about people in NA are they are very polite to your face, but things such as lack of communication skills (note I said comm skills not English) can be a serious hindrance to your career progress not getting a job. IMO you will be relegated to the technical side of things and will have a hard time making manager of you do not have communication skills.
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I have only 2 cents to contribute, not a cent more, not a cent less ;-)
No point in getting into a long tirade, just a few comments here:
Jatan, before posting your diatribe, you should have read the posts above, and tried hard to understand…..apparently it takes an effort for the likes of you!
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it's a really interesting thread. Nikhil keep it up.
Was it Nikhil who started this thread?
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I wonder what Crenshaw thks about Quebec area where a person can hardly utter a word of English and even most street signs are in French.
???That’s why Quebec requires fluency in French if you want to immigrate there!
What were you trying to communicate?
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So u really agree with most ppl that technical skills, education doesn't matter as long as you know English. hmmmm interesting.
?? never said that, nor do I know anyone who said anything of the sort. What I did say, was that your technical skills wouldn’t count for squat if you didn’t have have the ability to communicate in an appropriate manner. If you take a moment to try to understand, you’ll figure out that there is a difference.
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I am sure Crenshaw would agree as he is letting his frustrations out too when he see's the bashing. Can't help it if the world see's it, but atleast they know before hand that they might have to go through the same problems than coming here and then finding it and leaving a good job etc out there.
Incidentally, my initial comments were in response to the comment by the OP (not ‘Nikhil’) insinuating that people in Canada were ‘uneducated’.
People can express their frustrations in a manner that makes sense rather than making over-the-top statements.
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and arguing with them or just leave it by sending some suggestions and supporting them through their probs.
If you try browsing thru the site, that's what you'll find.
I don’t think over-the-top statements like calling Canada ‘not a place of educated personnels’ (sic) (refer the first post of this thread) constitutes a request for help though.
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What I did say, was that your technical skills wouldn’t count for squat if you didn’t have have the ability to communicate in an appropriate manner.
NOPE!! Absolutely NOT!! I have known and continue to witness several techies of East Asian origin who are very very poor in communication skills but are doing just as well as any one else.
It all depends on the type of job one is qualified for. If your job is as a programmer, then the requirement is very high on the quality of your programming skills and very low on communications skills.
OTOH if you aspire to be in HR/Sales or want to climb the corporate ladder, the requirement is high in the communication skill area. You can't be a CEO unless you can interact with people properly. You can't be a good salesman unless you can communicate effectively.
But you can be a lab scientist, a tech repair person, a design engineer, a computer analyst or any of those pure techy jobs without any need for good communication.
Everyone cannot be treated alike. What is being criticized here is that in Canada, immigrants find it very difficult to find suitable jobs regardless of their commjunication skills and regardless of their tech skills.
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The Cynic
Quite true ,
Barring Canada lets have a look @ US and then compare the hypocrisy in Canada . When a guy is pulled from India for an H1 visa is English checked beyond a minimum level for jobs like programmers , doctors , accountants --------- obviously u dont have 2 b non conversant in English coz otherwise u wudnt have been a successful pro even in India .
So what do they check---- good competence in ur field , ability to perform the technical job and that s it --- u come overboard if u perform !!
Where a high fluency of English is desired is jobs like Managers / Sales and so on where commuincation is THE important factor for eg say teaching . So u see v cant generalise .
BUT in Canada they have the farce of refusing able candidates on an excuse of non English skills and lack of Canadadian experience . I wonder does the human anatomy behave differently in Canada or so do programming languages ?? Thats BS plain and simple !!
However English is good for cafe jobs , tele marketing , sales and other stuff which seems 2 b the order of the day in Canada .
Anybody who can claim success on the basis of his qualifications / achievements in India / US /MIddle East / Far East wudnt dare so in Canada --- wonder y ?? coz they have the nerve for showing an IIT engineer the door for reasons mentioned. Its an irony that Canada fails 2 recognize the pool of talent it has invited.
Manasvi.
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So what do they check---- good competence in ur field , ability to perform the technical job and that s it --- u come overboard if u perform !!
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Come 'overboard'?.......
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wonder y ?? coz they have the nerve for showing an IIT engineer the door for reasons mentioned. Its an irony that Canada fails 2 recognize the pool of talent it has invited.
If a prospective employer thinks that a person would not gel into his team, can't see why it would take 'nerve' to 'show the person the door'.
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