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Location: British Columbia
Posted on: 05-05-05 14:20:15
Location: British Columbia
Posted on: 05-05-05 14:20:15
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Orginally posted by crenshaw
Looks like I missed out on some of the fun this morning....hey kabeer
I’ll agree with what Jake posted. People like him and I, being new immigrants ourselves, (late edit: speaking for myself) are unsympathetic to irrational whining. I probably have a very low tolerance level, primarily because I’m an immigrant in the past 2 years and know first hand that the systemic problems commonly cited can be overcome by adequate knowledge and the right preparation, before landing. What often can’t be overcome, is a resistance to the change that is required to adapt to a different socio-cultural environment and (often) different work practices.
Sites such as this one, should serve such a purpose (of being a source of information relevant to an immigrant). However, what actually happens in practice is that a few people band together and find it quite convenient to make it appear that their personal failings are the failings of the system as a whole. Others, who have left Canada either back to India or to jobs in the Middle East, jump in, looking for honorable reasons to justify decisions that they have taken (or were forced to make). We end up with a cacophony of irrational statements, such as the one made by the OP that got this thread going.
What I find particularly repulsive is statements that suggest that ONLY people who were ‘zilch’ professionaly in India or elsewhere ‘SHOULD’ immigrate to Canada or that ONLY people who are ‘zilch’ immigrate to Canada. I also dislike the suggestion that ALL immigrants get stuck in dead-end jobs the moment they arrive in Canada. Certainly does not reflect reality, most definitely not where I come from!
Well said. This site has the potential to be a huge source of information and a resource to people that have recently moved or are planning to move to Canada.
What occupation are u in? How did you find work when you moved here?
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Posts: 1920
Location: British Columbia
Posted on: 05-05-05 14:33:00
Location: British Columbia
Posted on: 05-05-05 14:33:00
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Orginally posted by crenshaw
\"know first hand that the systemic problems commonly cited can be overcome by adequate knowledge and the right preparation, before landing. What often can’t be overcome, is a resistance to the change that is required to adapt to a different socio-cultural environment and (often) different work practices.\"
also Crenshaw.. what changes do you mean? I know so many people that have anglosized (sp) their name when they moved here.. however I dont know how well that works.
Job search skills, resumes etc and understanding of the local labour market is what I assume you mean
Some of these barriers are in the hand of individuals themselves..and sometimes there are barriers by the system like: # of spots in each province for foriegn trained doctors to obtain residencies.. according to stats that I have read recently online: Ontario has around 200 however 2000 foreign trained doctors a year apply for these spots. Its not any easier elsewhere - BC has 6 spots! the prairies may have 1 in each province.
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Orginally posted by mercury6
See whining is not that bad. it forms the basis for social change.
Besides its much more interesting, else it will be just a gorup of people agreeing all the time. A reak circle jerk.
I agree. The problem maybe when each side insists that they are the 'real deal'. Anyway, I think this board has got enough people who whine...its probably the reason Crenshaws style is more of an offensive defence
.If there were a good amount of people who had +ve opinions on this forum...it would probably make the forum a basis for social change.
You need the successful people to be part of such an effort. That's probably common sense.
Unfortunately, those kind of people(atleast the ones I speak to) are turned off by the negativity on this board. Probably because they blocked away the same during their climb to where they are.
While Crenshaw is among the handfull who questions the doom and gloom stories...there has been a whole brigade to pounce on anyone who dares to post in the success section. Why would a successful person put himself thru that? I would think the unsuccessful need the successful...not the other way around...the blind leading the blind...no guesses for how far that will take anyone. It probably does not matter as long as there is something to shift the blame to.
Maybe its just as well.
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Posts: 1920
Location: British Columbia
Posted on: 05-05-05 14:45:52
Location: British Columbia
Posted on: 05-05-05 14:45:52
Jake3d
I agree. There are many other threads on this board about so many different topics ..where I see people do respond and try to help out people who have questions.
I find this website still much more positive than some others..
Thanks for your thoughts..
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Orginally posted by jake3d
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Orginally posted by mercury6
See whining is not that bad. it forms the basis for social change.
Besides its much more interesting, else it will be just a gorup of people agreeing all the time. A reak circle jerk.
I agree. The problem maybe when each side insists that they are the 'real deal'. Anyway, I think this board has got enough people who whine...its probably the reason Crenshaws style is more of an offensive defence
If there were a good amount of people who had +ve opinions on this forum...it would probably make the forum a basis for social change.
You need the successful people to be part of such an effort. That's probably common sense.
Unfortunately, those kind of people(atleast the ones I speak to) are turned off by the negativity on this board. Probably because they blocked away the same during their climb to where they are.
While Crenshaw is among the handfull who questions the doom and gloom stories...there has been a whole brigade to pounce on anyone who dares to post in the success section. Why would a successful person put himself thru that? I would think the unsuccessful need the successful...not the other way around...the blind leading the blind...no guesses for how far that will take anyone. It probably does not matter as long as there is something to shift the blame to.
Maybe its just as well.
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Orginally posted by morning_rain
Jake3d
I agree. There are many other threads on this board about so many different topics ..where I see people do respond and try to help out people who have questions.
Thats true. Theres a lot of good info here too. So its not as hopeless as my last post may have sounded.
There are also some likeable characters running around
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Orginally posted by morning_rain
If there were a good amount of people who had +ve opinions on this forum...it would probably make the forum a basis for social change.
You need the successful people to be part of such an effort. That's probably common sense.
Doesnt matter, successful or not, +ve or -ve, you would have to do 2 things to make a change...
Observe/Admit there is a problem.
Whine about it.
I like successful people who take up Canada's side of the coin.
I really do. At least they didnt run away.
If successful people really felt like it, they would be here in droves defending canada.
They are not here for some other reason. Unknown at this point.
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I don’t seem to be able to keep up with the posts today, as much as I normally would!
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Orginally posted by morning_rain
also Crenshaw.. what changes do you mean? I know so many people that have anglosized (sp) their name when they moved here.. however I dont know how well that works.
Job search skills, resumes etc and understanding of the local labour market is what I assume you mean
I don’t think Anglicizing a name necessarily helps, but heck, maybe I’m biased as I have an Anglo name anyway.
I intended my comments to be broader than just job searches. There’s also this presumption by most South Asian immigrants, that the West is morally decadent, that their (South Asian) culture is superior, that the West has no family values and no family life. End result is that South Asian immigrants (especially first generation) make friends and hang out within the community rather than going out and broadening their horizons and learning a different perspective. As harsh as this may sound, they end up creating their little ghettos and live within them, never understanding what is beyond that.
This is probably more true of the GTA than western Canada…….
Knowledge of the labor market certainly does help (especially not making an assumption that a new immigrant MUST work on the shop floor at a factory)……..
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