Good luck Interceptor.

Here's my 2 Rupees’ worth

If and when we take the bold decision of migrating to another country, we have to transform ourselves to meet the demands & needs of that nation. Nobody forced us to migrate - right ? It was our decision and why all the fuss about English ? Tomorrow, if we plan to migrate to Japan, it'll definitely be a wise thing to learn the Japanese language ‘proficiently’ than whining, complaining and self-pitying after landing there. India is not telling us to leave. Many leave her in search of that pot of gold but when they return back (some as failures) she embraces them with open arms. That is India.
Fortunately or unfortunately the English language plays a very important role in the subcontinent. If that was not the case, why then do a BE/ B.Tech/ MBA/ MBBS… in English ? Do it in your local language and take up a job in a company that deals only with the local market. We want to migrate, join MNCs & also take up managerial positions in a foreign land but prefer to ignore the language and communication skills. If that is what we want, then why migrate ? Stay at home. I repeat - India did not tell us to migrate nor did Canada force us to apply. On the contrary some of us have paid through our nose to the immigration agents. Why ? Incidentally, try getting into one of the up-and-up companies in India and you’ll know what role communication skills play.
I come from the IT industry and have several years' experience working in big companies like Wipro etc and presently work for the biggest oil/ Gas Company here in the Middle East.
My friend/s, let me tell you this: life always looks greener on the other side. Don't we have unemployment in India. Despite your rich experience and excellent academics try getting into a good job - without networking - in India. It is very, very difficult. Many people ask me whether getting a job in CA is easy. I in turn ask them, 'is getting a good job easy in the Middle East (or Mumbai, Chennai, Hyderabad, Bangalore etc....)’ ? It's the same everywhere. When the time was not right I myself have struggled back in my own home-town to get a decent job. So why should CA be different ? Patience, hard work, positive attitude and the strong urge to make it big - pays off. Also, remember one other very important thing: we have to be at the right place at the right time and with the right attitude. Opportunity doesn’t knock twice at our door. Many people from one of the Southern Indian states learn Arabic in school/ college so that they get good jobs here in the Middle East. Why ? Because they know that competition is high and if they need to survive here (ME) they need to be par with other Arabs' language skills. Not just professional skills. Likewise, if one wants to make it big in China, Japan, Timbuktu..... wherever... Be proficient in that Nation's language/s. Not just your profession. Like you (and me) there are many more intelligent (far more intelligent) professionals around. And, they are all arriving by the dozens in every major Canadian port. In what way are we different from the rest ? Why should an employer prefer you or me ? Unless you communicate to your prospective employer as to how good you are, how will he (they) know ? Just having a professional certificate won’t help. When people are capable of faking the powerful Dollar bill……………..

Disclaimer:
No, I don't claim to be very proficient in English. But I bet I will be - in fact, try to be better than a First Nation Canadian - if and when I decide to live and work in CA.
We are Indians and we believe we CAN and we Will !!



Best Regards and best wishes to all.

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Like you (and me) there are many more intelligent (far more intelligent) professionals around. And, they are all arriving by the dozens in every major Canadian port. In what way are we different from the rest ? Why should an employer prefer you or me ? Unless you communicate to your prospective employer as to how good you are, how will he (they) know ? Just having a professional certificate won’t help. When people are capable of faking the powerful Dollar bill……………..

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It will be very easy for an intelligent immigrant to take crash course from UoT (Cost $600), be a pro in english literature and land up with a 100K job.

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I would love to believe in your argument. It will be very easy for an intelligent immigrant to take crash course from UoT (Cost $600), be a pro in english literature and land up with a 100K job. But, where do these companies want to palce technical or hard core skills. They can always test a person's hardcore skills at time of interview. Work Experience will show in test as fake dollar bills give away in ultra violet light. Reasons are way different than what few of CD's try to communicate.
A person sitting dump and not able to respond at all is lacking in communication skills. I don't feel interceptor is that bad in communication skills otherwise this tread would have not gained momentum.
I find one of the member on CD very good with his communication skills, infact better than canadian educated person still he is not able to get a decent bellow his worth job. Can you explain, why? if I am to buy you english communication argument.

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Is there a moderator around ???? Crenshaw uses language that hurts!!

Keep it up Nikhil...

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it's a really interesting thread. Nikhil keep it up.

personally it's really funny reading about someone's English fluency level whether reading or writing for job prospects specially in technical areas

In my 10 yrs of work experience from being a junior programmer to being a CTO of a company, nobody has ever pointed out (except since I have come to Canada. I was in the US before and originally from India) that English is such a big issue. The only thing employers wanted was can I get the task done. As a CTO in US I had to go around to so many other companies etc ... discuss details, interact directly with my team, my employer, but no one complained. I have had great programmers from China etc under me but we never seemed to have a problem of communication. We will have a problem only if we want to create one.
Barriers on account of language differences are the easiest to remove if one wants to.

My mother hardly speaks a word of English but each year she travels from India to US/ Canada "alone", stays here goes to malls etc in buses again alone but never heard her cry or blame that everyone speaks English.

Now after 4 yrs been in Canada (same problems of not finding a job) I switched my career. Went to school 2 yrs back and finally now got my first break but on a very junior level. Even in this place, it's all mixed ppl. from here, china, india .......... but never see any problems arising because of that because the company wants the work done.

I wonder what Crenshaw thks about Quebec area where a person can hardly utter a word of English and even most street signs are in French. Actually i can't even understand why a country requires 2 primary languages. I can't understand why to get a govt. job in Ottawa etc requires knowledge of French. I can't understand why the politicians of this country want to learn Mandarin, Hindi, Punjabi. (we know the answer ... ) but then maybe Crenshaw might have a better answer or suggestion as he figures out we from India create a communication barrier as we cant speak English and that's the only thing required in this Country, communication not skills. Is that what u mean. So u really agree with most ppl that technical skills, education doesn't matter as long as you know English. hmmmm interesting.

I have gone through the same problems, pains etc. This bashing which we see on these sites etc are genuine frustrations. Nothing wrong in letting it out. I am sure Crenshaw would agree as he is letting his frustrations out too when he see's the bashing. Can't help it if the world see's it, but atleast they know before hand that they might have to go through the same problems than coming here and then finding it and leaving a good job etc out there.

Again if you are so against us immigrants talking out loud why don't u and ppl like you ask the govt. to stop trying to get 250000 ppl every year.
Instead of blaming us why don't u blame the govt.

Again I am happy for those who got jobs in their resp. fields as soon as they came here, but there are more than 80% immigrants (educated ones) who are suffering. there is nothing wrong in venting out. If any of you guys have suggestions on how u did it, post it and we can try it out to. It might even help 1 person but it will help. But with us fighting about some basic truths it's not gonna work. We have to help each other, support each other. Build confidence for those who still can't find a proper job by giving them suggestions than contradicting them arguing. Hate will not bring peace, it'll bring more hate. So if you just want more of these hate post coming up, keep on hating these ppl. and arguing with them or just leave it by sending some suggestions and supporting them through their probs.

Jatan