yeah raj u r right, knowledge and work experience also carries weight. Like u I have also seen white managers having bad command on language.
But as far as communication is concerened atleast we can't afford to have an interpreters where ever we go. English is a global language. and by communication I mean u should be able to express urself very clearly in job interviews, visa offices, work place etc.
lets take an example of mathematics, there are pocket calculators in market then why our children learn tables in schools? we can easily afford to give them a calculator for their classes.
As far as work ex and knowledge is concerened, I don't think canada is short of such people. here I mean, in canada childrens start working part time or maybe regularly at the age of 16. which gave them lot of exposure to outer world. and they get lot of knowledge and work ex. I also think that kinowledge comes with practical experience rather then being a book worm. I have seen people with just diploma in computers are working as managers, and our fellow desis with engineering in computers can't compete with them and start blaming the system here. average age of white going for master degree is 28+ and back home it doesn't matter. In USA, Canada if u want to have mba degree, the average work experience is of 2yrs. but back home my cousins are doing MBA at the age of 23. and he said no work ex is rewuired there to get admission. and such things make a lot of difference.
here in canada i think u get what u deserve. lets take another example, back home BPO are becoming a great success. but are they paying the their employees what they deserve. by working in night shifts an average pay scale an employee gets is Rs 8-10k per month. is that enough to run a house?
I never wanted to compare India with Canada, but some things do require comparison. I can only talk and write from my experience and not what I heard from people. and till now I have only been to canada and India. hope to see rest of world soon..............

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so here I am posting my reply to top eight reasons not to immigrate to canada.
8) Discriminatory and Dishonest Immigration System.
Immigration to Canada is based on a point system, obtained with your education, qualifications and job experience. Points are good enough for immigration, but in Canada, they are not good enough to get a job in your field. Amazing, how the credentials that qualify you to come to Canada are the same credentials that don't qualify you for your profession in Canada. The reason is, Canada only wants immigrants to do the labor jobs - pizza delivery, driving taxis, factory work etc.

NO, it was never written in the immigration form or their guide, that they are also giving job to new immigrants. and its not a package which includes a job, good salary, ur immigration, a house. they are very clear about saying that you should have enough funds for supporting atleast you and your family for first 6 months. and they are also saying that very clearly, that you may have to work in other occupation then ur previous studies. or you need to update your studies to canadian standard. and its true, suppose you are in india then have u ever seen people working in management positions from study background of kenya, africa, or other such countries. same thing applicable here, how can they offer hi tech jobs to people with no or very little canadian experience (job, study, living). so please make up ur mind before coming to do jobs like pizza delivery, driving taxis, factory work etc as long as u don't update urself to canadian standards. It can be work experience, studies etc. giving u example of my other uncle who is in USA, he owns a paint company their, and when I visited him and I saw people washing their bathrooms themself. and I asked him, he replied that it is part of their work even him. they all do such work turn by turn. and they got paid equally for this. so their is no harm in doing a pizza delivery job untill you think of society around you.

thank you all

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"One guy died and and is presented before God's commissioner. Now he had good Karma as well as Bad Karma. So he is to pass his time in Heaven as wellas in Hell. He is asked where would you like to go first? He inquired as to what are the environemnts in heaven and hell. The commissioner gave him a broucher of heaven which showed beautiful girls and people enjoying excellent food and the environment. So he decided that first he would prefer to go to heaven. Once he enters the heaven, he finds that only guys spending time are "Sanyasis" who are in deep contempletion , fasting and chanting Mantras. He did not find any beautiful girls or wine or other luxuries. So he inquires from the commissioner that your broucher showed
a different picture. Where are the beautiful girls and wine and beer? The commissioner says that the broucher was just for advertisement. If we give true picture who would come to heaven?"

I know the CDs who can read between the lines will get my message.

yes my dear friend u r very right in saying "one always correctly presume that their qualifications and experience does have value as your immigration is based on that factor".
and its very true, while filling the form of immigration a person with masters degree get 25pts while that with an bachelors degree gets 20pts at the same time one with just 3yrs diploma gets 22pts. Here people with 25pts presume to get a good job after landing. but did u note down the other factor, for diploma u get 22 pts while for degree (even bachelors in engineering or a doctorait degree) hold lesser pts just 20.
but have u read their guide for new immigrants, it just shows that u may have to work in other field or may need to update ur education.
dreaming until u land in canada is not a bad idea but to fulfill those dreams u should be hard working in canada.
I give u another example, my friend got admission in IIMS (top college for mba in india, not in top 100 colleges internationaly) in 98 and after getting degree in 2000 he worked for ranbaxy in chd (annual package of 15lakh Rs),but in 2004 he got approved a loan of 1cr Rs and I thought he may be starting his own buisness, but u know he got admision in top buisness school London Busness School, UK. he told me that there is no harm in updating ur studies to international standard. and today he is ceo of a firm in england with annual package of 1cr rs in indian currency.
I think with my reply and example I have answered ur querie.

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Think about this:

USA : 300 million population. Accepts only 100.000 skilled immigrants/year under H1-B job ready visa.

Canada : Only 30 million population and accepts 320,000 skilled immigrants/year !!! and no good jobs available !

It's very simple : Supply and demand rules :

High immigration= Oversupply of skilled workers = High competition = skilled worker cost cheaper = more profits for corporations = more private capital investment + Increases income for government

Interesting reading:

"...I agree with many of the posters on this site that it is horrible when a person cannot find work to match their skill level. But I would also argue that intellectually individuals have to recognize that there are more skilled workers available globally than there is need for them in the marketplace.

All OECD countries, almost simultaneously, publicized a skilled worker shortage to attract immigrants to their shores in the hope to meet professed demand indicated by employers. But such demand has not been adequately demonstrated and key statistics are not revealed to the public detailing the number of annual job openings by profession versus the number of degrees conferred in those professions or migrant numbers with those skills. The result has been an overwhelming oversupply of skilled workers resulting in depressed/lowered wages, weakened labor unions and protections and more competition. Increased competition has expressed itself through professional associations increasing credential requirements, universities expanding program lengths, employers asking for more experience or local experience, decreased morale, workplace stress and stagnant “real” productivity. It would be wrong to blame an average Canadian citizen for this policy because our government did not consult people over this decision - but consulted corporations.

Many posters on this site seem to think that Canada is somehow more culpable for its failure to utilize immigrants skills in the workplace; however the USA accepts much fewer skilled workers per year (<100,000 USA H- visas per year) compared to 320,000 in Canada. USA skilled worker visas (below masters level) requires employers prove that local residents are not available or do not have the skills required to perform the job; no such restriction exists in Canada. The difference is made even more significant by the relative population levels and the relative education levels of citizens in both nations. In the USA, with a jobless recovery, there are also many local citizens speaking out against immigration policies that adversely affect American workers..."

I would add : only mainstream Canadians and corporations win. They take advantage of the naive professional "skilled worker", transformed in cheap labor-workers who end up paying for the income of those Canadian born who enjoy the good positions in the top of companies and the bureaucratic government. What a cruel business. We should call this human traffic, shouldn't we ? I feel happy for finally leaving this so hypocrite society.

Best of luck.

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I once made a mistake, but I was wrong about it.

I read your article saying that Canada is too good to live. Just give me few reasons why so? Here everything is sugar coated. All hidden crimes and frauds. Here everything has a cost. You don't even get advise free. Here water costs but in India people offer free water. You find humanity in India but here you don't find here. Remember i am not talking about job. In job there is more to say. Canadian govt. hires educated labours from India you know. We have highly qualified persons working as labours because this bloody canadian don't give us jobs saying you don't have canadian experience or education. Can you tell me what is special in Canadian education and experience. You have seen canada from a luxurious view but here there is a cheating everywhere. If you look in depth you will surely find that here people are cheating. The only bad point of our india is that knowing all this we don't get any support from our country.

I have still more stuff to say and argue. But shall break. Write if you want to know more about it.

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