thanks Indian_immigrant for giving your time to reply on my post. but I like to ask something from you, are u agree or dis-agree with me. as u have written that u are leaving back to india, if u r agree with me then y u r leaving back to india? can u plz clarify ur decision?

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I totally disagree with Duncan actually, it was my mistake as he has commentend on those issues underneath, which I didn't realise & I thought those are his thoughts.

Yes I am going back; as life in Canada suck & you Duncan, if you have agreed to all those points what is the point in still saying that life is great here??

Yes, I do think that Canadian immigration is a scam, what is the point in having point system if there are no jobs & what is the point in having high qulification if the immigrants are supposed to work in factory?

Believe me, nobody who is saying ' don't immigrate to Canada' intend to misquide anybody & want to have all white collar jobs (THERE ARE NO THOSE KINDS OF JOBS HERE FIRST OF ALL), we just want others to stop doing the mistake that lot of us have done.

I don't hear people saying 'don't immigrate to the US' as there are jobs there.

My personal opinion is whether you are in the US or Canada, life suck in this part of world & eventually where ever you are u want to go back to India.
I am not gonna argue about whether India is gonna be super power or whatever, India is India. There is no comparison.

Ok Indian_immigrant, so now as ur point is clear, I would like to reply to ur post. and my friend don't think that I am only pointing you in my reply.
1st) please read my posts clearly, and just don't make ur way through them. I am against the topics like TOP EIGHT REASONS NOT TO IMMIGRATE TO CANADA. and I had made my point very clear on those eight issues. so my friend please go through them again, especially what is written after leaving 1 line gap after those eight points.

2nd) So as u think that Canadian immigration is a scam, shall I ask u something.
Do you think that persons with very poor education background and not very good in English should be allowed to work in high positions? I have read many posts here on canaian desi, most of the people I met and found here scored very less in IELTS. reason, we all know. In punjab (India) there are 80 engineering colleges, every year on an average 200 people get graduation per college. do some mathematics, 80*200=16000. so do u think 16000 jobs are there in punjab for these engineers. so out of these 16000 engineers (just from punjab) at least 6000 people go to Canada, UK or Australia. lets say aprox out of those 6000 people, 2500 landed in Canada. now are the employers here are mad or they want there companies to close. y would they hire 2500 people for whit collar jobs. when they have better graduates from Canada itself to do good jobs over here. and I have just given u example of Punjab (India). so for whole India, please calculate itself.
I have done b-tech in electrical from punjab. but after coming here I realized the value of Canadian education and I started doing a diploma in computers. but I never blame the system here, cause if we have some sense and we think from their point of view, they are very right here. I have seen some Indian professors here in Georgian college, Barrie. who don't even know how to spell correct English, so college authorities had fired them out. so what’s the point in hiring such people for the jobs. and they start blaming the govt here.
and my dear friend there are different categories for immigration, one is skilled immigrant. points do not guarantee you a job here in Canada, they are one of criteria of accessing an immigration file.
and I advice you not to blame others for your failure in Canada.
I just got an idea from your earlier reply, that you are disagree with me. and by mistake u said u r agree with me. It just tells us how serious you are in your job. because reading something in newspaper or a thread and doing a job require passions, which I think u don't have in u. that’s y u just have tasted failure in Canada.
climbing an mountain is not a bad idea,
but climbing it in hurry may make you fall.
so have some passions in everything u do. best of luck for your future.

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Thank you very much for your advise, for your kind info I am teacher in Canada for last 6 years & am successful in terms of what you call 'qualification' here & also probably more experienced than you in terms of life.

I blame canadian immigration. I know that they don't guarantee any jobs when they interview us. I am not at all agree with your point of not having english lg. skills & stuff. Even canadians agree that Indians speak grammatically correct English.

U r saying how can Canada offer a high positions to the people who don't know how to speak proper English?? let me ask you how many cases you have seen like this? how many professor u saw had been fired for not speaking proper English? There are no jobs in Canada, this is the truth here, that is the reason people who had high positions in their countries are doing factory jobs or odd jobs.

The school I teach have 6 Indian teachers, in the school administration there is 1 Indian lady working..!

& In that case, USA or any other countries also wouldn't have accepted Indian people as software engineers or for any other qualification, also the process that I went thro' to be a teacher here was about 1 full year of getting certain documentation, TOEFL & lots of fees. In all other countries they just ask to do TOEFL OR IELTS & accept your degrees.


Good luck to you in your life in Canada, I don't agree with your points, I don't have problem with personally you, so before you call failure to anybody else, first look at yourself, U R 1 big failure...because u think that whatever degree u hold is nothing & that is the reason you went ahead & are doing something else.

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Ok Indian_immigrant, so now as ur point is clear, I would like to reply to ur post. and my friend don't think that I am only pointing you in my reply.
1st) please read my posts clearly, and just don't make ur way through them. I am against the topics like TOP EIGHT REASONS NOT TO IMMIGRATE TO CANADA. and I had made my point very clear on those eight issues. so my friend please go through them again, especially what is written after leaving 1 line gap after those eight points.

2nd) So as u think that Canadian immigration is a scam, shall I ask u something.
Do you think that persons with very poor education background and not very good in English should be allowed to work in high positions? I have read many posts here on canaian desi, most of the people I met and found here scored very less in IELTS. reason, we all know. In punjab (India) there are 80 engineering colleges, every year on an average 200 people get graduation per college. do some mathematics, 80*200=16000. so do u think 16000 jobs are there in punjab for these engineers. so out of these 16000 engineers (just from punjab) at least 6000 people go to Canada, UK or Australia. lets say aprox out of those 6000 people, 2500 landed in Canada. now are the employers here are mad or they want there companies to close. y would they hire 2500 people for whit collar jobs. when they have better graduates from Canada itself to do good jobs over here. and I have just given u example of Punjab (India). so for whole India, please calculate itself.
I have done b-tech in electrical from punjab. but after coming here I realized the value of Canadian education and I started doing a diploma in computers. but I never blame the system here, cause if we have some sense and we think from their point of view, they are very right here. I have seen some Indian professors here in Georgian college, Barrie. who don't even know how to spell correct English, so college authorities had fired them out. so what’s the point in hiring such people for the jobs. and they start blaming the govt here.
and my dear friend there are different categories for immigration, one is skilled immigrant. points do not guarantee you a job here in Canada, they are one of criteria of accessing an immigration file.
and I advice you not to blame others for your failure in Canada.
I just got an idea from your earlier reply, that you are disagree with me. and by mistake u said u r agree with me. It just tells us how serious you are in your job. because reading something in newspaper or a thread and doing a job require passions, which I think u don't have in u. that’s y u just have tasted failure in Canada.
climbing an mountain is not a bad idea,
but climbing it in hurry may make you fall.
so have some passions in everything u do. best of luck for your future.

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yeah very true indian_immigrant you may be more experienced then me. but did u adapt yourself to the change in this country?
you wrote that you are a teacher here, so y u blaming the sytem here of not giving white collor jobs. are teacher considered labourers in this country?
I not only say proper english but am also saying good education background:-
1) I asked u one thing, if u r running a buisness in India, will u give employement to a person with education background from kenya, afghanistan, or any of under developed country? and if u say yes to this question I think u r not an succesfull buisness man either.
2) U said people working in USA in high posts, y don't u say people in this country itself working in high posts. Students from India go to USA, Canada, UK for higher studies, and most of them get good jobs after completing their studies in the same country. take an good example of any one working as a manager or software engineer in USA or any part of world, the reason being that either he has updated his/her studies to that level or he/she is from IIT india.
Indian studies are very good in terms of quality of education but only reason where they lack is they don't maintain their standards. giving u an example, Punjab technical univ was having just 10 colleges for engineering, which makes tough competition, good placements and quality engineers but then they became money hungry firm and started selling their degrees and now there are 80 colleges. so u like to comment on this issue?
Big brother I don't call u failure but I asked u not to blame others for ur failure. so try to understand the difference between 2 things.
see I have seen with my experience that out of 100 people immigrating to canada atleast 20 are not satisfied. and whenever u meat them the only thing they talk bout is they are going back, they don't want to live here, there are no jobs in canada etc etc. I mean just blaming this country every second for their failure here. instead of doing this they can have done some work, even as a labor. and have some experience here.
did immigration officer came to ur door and asked:-
door:- knock knock
immigration officer:- is mr_________ at home,
applicant:- yes i am mr________,
immigration officer:- sir we are from canadian embassy, we beg u to come to canada cauz we need educated people and sir there are plenty of jobs and very good pay scale.

it didn't went like this I guess big bro,u filed the immigration, u went to their office for interview (if it was conducted), it was ur decision. so y to blame them?

I don't mind u calling me big failure, u know y?
because I know my destiny and I am working on it. and who told u that whatever degree I hold means nothing to me, c I have electical degree and in Canada u need a licence to work on it. and here most of univ are offering electrical and computers engg degree, cause its not India where u do all the paper work for keeping and tracking voltage records. thats y i started doing my diploma in computers and for ur very kind information it is my decision and I don't need ur remarks on it.
and next time please don't hurry up in reading post and start commenting on others, please read the posts with open eyes before.

this thread is about positive thinking and attitude, and I still support it. so big bro please don't go personal on anything. write anything related to the topic.

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Hello everyone,

We should not really make comparison between India or our motherland & Canada.

Because we are born in India, so we will always be proud of that country & we aren't here because India is bad country. We want to see the other part of world & explore.

Even though Canada has its ups & downs still we have experienced & learnt some good things.

So really & truly having an argument over 'Canada Vs. India' or even 'Canada - pros & cons' is worthless. Because what I see as 'pro' can somebody else's 'con'.

So we have to set our priorities & be happy for it. Good luck to everyone.

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Thank you very much for your advise, for your kind info I am teacher in Canada for last 6 years & am successful in terms of what you call 'qualification' here & also probably more experienced than you in terms of life.

I blame canadian immigration. I know that they don't guarantee any jobs when they interview us. I am not at all agree with your point of not having english lg. skills & stuff. Even canadians agree that Indians speak grammatically correct English.

U r saying how can Canada offer a high positions to the people who don't know how to speak proper English?? let me ask you how many cases you have seen like this? how many professor u saw had been fired for not speaking proper English? There are no jobs in Canada, this is the truth here, that is the reason people who had high positions in their countries are doing factory jobs or odd jobs.

The school I teach have 6 Indian teachers, in the school administration there is 1 Indian lady working..!

& In that case, USA or any other countries also wouldn't have accepted Indian people as software engineers or for any other qualification, also the process that I went thro' to be a teacher here was about 1 full year of getting certain documentation, TOEFL & lots of fees. In all other countries they just ask to do TOEFL OR IELTS & accept your degrees.


Good luck to you in your life in Canada, I don't agree with your points, I don't have problem with personally you, so before you call failure to anybody else, first look at yourself, U R 1 big failure...because u think that whatever degree u hold is nothing & that is the reason you went ahead & are doing something else.

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Orginally posted by duncan

Ok Indian_immigrant, so now as ur point is clear, I would like to reply to ur post. and my friend don't think that I am only pointing you in my reply.
1st) please read my posts clearly, and just don't make ur way through them. I am against the topics like TOP EIGHT REASONS NOT TO IMMIGRATE TO CANADA. and I had made my point very clear on those eight issues. so my friend please go through them again, especially what is written after leaving 1 line gap after those eight points.

2nd) So as u think that Canadian immigration is a scam, shall I ask u something.
Do you think that persons with very poor education background and not very good in English should be allowed to work in high positions? I have read many posts here on canaian desi, most of the people I met and found here scored very less in IELTS. reason, we all know. In punjab (India) there are 80 engineering colleges, every year on an average 200 people get graduation per college. do some mathematics, 80*200=16000. so do u think 16000 jobs are there in punjab for these engineers. so out of these 16000 engineers (just from punjab) at least 6000 people go to Canada, UK or Australia. lets say aprox out of those 6000 people, 2500 landed in Canada. now are the employers here are mad or they want there companies to close. y would they hire 2500 people for whit collar jobs. when they have better graduates from Canada itself to do good jobs over here. and I have just given u example of Punjab (India). so for whole India, please calculate itself.
I have done b-tech in electrical from punjab. but after coming here I realized the value of Canadian education and I started doing a diploma in computers. but I never blame the system here, cause if we have some sense and we think from their point of view, they are very right here. I have seen some Indian professors here in Georgian college, Barrie. who don't even know how to spell correct English, so college authorities had fired them out. so what’s the point in hiring such people for the jobs. and they start blaming the govt here.
and my dear friend there are different categories for immigration, one is skilled immigrant. points do not guarantee you a job here in Canada, they are one of criteria of accessing an immigration file.
and I advice you not to blame others for your failure in Canada.
I just got an idea from your earlier reply, that you are disagree with me. and by mistake u said u r agree with me. It just tells us how serious you are in your job. because reading something in newspaper or a thread and doing a job require passions, which I think u don't have in u. that’s y u just have tasted failure in Canada.
climbing an mountain is not a bad idea,
but climbing it in hurry may make you fall.
so have some passions in everything u do. best of luck for your future.

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If we are talking about English, I have seen the English of many managers (whites) & I am sorry to say that their grammar is horrible & make lot of spelling mistakes.

These are the people ofcourse, whom I have come in contact with & there must be a lot more who have very good command over English.

Is English alone more important or work experience & knowledge carries weight too? Isn't business done between different countries by having interpreters?

Thanks & regards.

Rajan.

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