Location: God's own country
Posted on: 27-11-08 11:23:07
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Originally posted by chandresh
In my eight years here, I have met a number of new immigrants, and I have yet to see one who is in IT and spent anything more than 3-4 years in USA who DID NOT land with a nice job in Canada, or who did not get one within the first week.
Chandresh,
I disagree with you on that one based on my experiences (again as said by BL). But what you have said will be fully valid as you mingle with the cream of the soceity and people that you meet are in the creamy layers and would have no problem finding jobs in IT.
I have met a number of Bsc's, B.com , B.A's and BE's who came to good jobs in US due to the IT boom and even after 5or 6 years in US still donot have the necessary soft skills to find a job in Canada (who came to Canada b'cos they could not get a green card in USA). I know people who have struggled for 2 or 3 years before finding a IT job. Again since IT jobs have very minimal entry standards, I have found many that even after 4 or 5 years of being into IT, still donot know the subject nor have the necessary soft skills. I know of many IT firms who hire people to fill up positions (as mandated by the management) and people who are filled may not be good candidates. There are a lot of people who are ready to come to Canada from the US but are not willing to do so b'cos even a top IT company in Canada canot give the salary expected from people who are willing to come from USA
Again, I belive that the OP got his job mainly b'cos he is in a hot technology and he must surely have the necessary softskills (from his stint in the US).
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It is like in Singapore - if you are in IT and from any of the IITs in India, you apply for PR and they come back with a letter approving your PR but offering you to apply for citizenship instead which is sort of pre-approved!
Canot understand your statement but as far as I know I have known many Architects being rejected for PR in Singapore while ITI Architectural Draftsman have been approved for PR (in 1998) and many Architects in Singapore wondered as to what the govt. was thinking... Obviously they are thinking like the Cdn. Govt..
To the OP
Not aware of the companies out there in Scarborough but I know only 3 comanies out there.
1. IBM (NorthYork / scarborough)
2. Sunlife (NY/Scarborpugh)
3. A company near IBM (Donot remeber the name but is in Steels road)
Again, there are openings for your skills in a famous company in Waterloo. They pay around $90-100K and give you $6,000 for relocation (2 year bond). If you want, I can arrange for an interview. you can try asking for 120K too. Send me a PM if you are interested.
Also you may want to try changing your house to somewhere near the office b'cos in the long run you will suffer due to fatigue. Try speaking with your super. Scarborugh may not be as nice as Brampton but it has huge population of Gujju's and Sri Lankan Tamils.
Hope this helps
TK
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I agree BL that there might be people in IT who struggle - but what I said was two main things:
1. one suddenly posts (seemingly) his first post on CD with no background and says he got a job within 2 day and does not give any other details - how good is this post for a reader? Does it inspire or frustrate a reader?
2. the person does not write what all he did to get that success - so where does the success (story) part come? I had got a job overseas in Singapore even before I went for a one on one meeting/interview to get my appointment letter - that was not a success story for me at all - because I had the right education and good connections.
So without any details, how would you consider it as a success story.
And another point - as I mentioned that I have yet to see an IT guy with 4 years' or more experience in the USA before coming to Canada not have a job within first week.........so anyone who comes into that category, is not telling a success story. Anybody WHO DOES NOT GET A JOB in the first month of his Canadian landing after having spent 4 years or more in IT in USA is the ODD MAN OUT - not this person. For me, this case is something like a young Canadian educated guy in say Ivey or Rotman or Schullich saying that he got his first nice job withing the first month of his final year at school. That is taken for granted. .
That's IMO!
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Chandresh
Advice is free – lessons I charge for!!
Chandresh ,
Pray tell me - are we confusing success stories with struggle stories .... If a guy gets a 90K+ job in Canada with in 1-2 weeks of landing he comes in the top 4% immigrants and isn't that a success story ?
Ratan Tata had never to face hardships and still has carved the Indian auto industry and infrastructure ..... would that not be a success story ?
As pointed by TK / BL not everyone in IT also is so successful -- the guy must be having solid experience to contribute to this success .
Whether we get inspired or frustrated is a matter of choice .
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Fido.
Very nice comments, everybody has their own opinions and its not neccessary that we will agree with each other opinion, but whats makes it beneficial for others is that we post our opinions. Let them decide what they agree with and would like to take from the post.
In my experience , I guess IT industry is not that attractive as pictured by Chandresh, i agree finding jobs in IT is easier then other fields but you still need to have the skills and experience mentioned by TK.
So incase you are moving from US to Canada, you will have to understand that job market is much smaller as compared to US, so do your homework propely.
Also be prepared to take a salary cut (if you have to) and be positive.
Incase you need some inputs or want more details about my job hunting experience let me know and i will be glad to help.
TK, thanks for the offer for help, but currently due to family situation i dont want them to relocate again, i will like to spend atleast year in Toronto before looking for better oppurtunities. I appreciate your intent to help, nice to have people like you on this forum.
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Originally posted by tamilkuravan
Chandresh,
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It is like in Singapore - if you are in IT and from any of the IITs in India, you apply for PR and they come back with a letter approving your PR but offering you to apply for citizenship instead which is sort of pre-approved!
Canot understand your statement but as far as I know I have known many Architects being rejected for PR in Singapore while ITI Architectural Draftsman have been approved for PR (in 1998) and many Architects in Singapore wondered as to what the govt. was thinking... Obviously they are thinking like the Cdn. Govt..
TK
What I have written in people in IT from IITs (Indian Institute of Technology) - not architecture.
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Chandresh
Advice is free – lessons I charge for!!
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Originally posted by Fido
Chandresh ,
Pray tell me - are we confusing success stories with struggle stories .... If a guy gets a 90K+ job in Canada with in 1-2 weeks of landing he comes in the top 4% immigrants and isn't that a success story ?
No - simply because there was not story with the post - it only said he got a job in two weeks.
This section was started with a specific purpose - for people to tell their story of how they overcame problems in Canadian Job market- what kind of preparation they did, or how they faced challenges and finally how they were able to get what they wanted to achieve. This section was meant to educate and inspire other reader by taking clue from those stories. If there is no background, no story, it is not a success story!
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Originally posted by Fido
As pointed by TK / BL not everyone in IT also is so successful -- the guy must be having solid experience to contribute to this success .
did not appear from his first post.
It could well have been that he had a brother/uncle working as a director of a company and got him a job, or through any other network. I myself got my first overseas job like that and know many others who got it in similar fashion. Many of them, including me, were not very bright or with solid experience - but still we got those enviable jobs! And prey do not tell me that happens only in the east - I have seen it happening in Canada too (including my own company).His first post did not show anything of that sort (and the other ones also do not really describe what kind of preparation he did so that he could guide others), and so I would not consider that as personal success.
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Originally posted by Fido
Whether we get inspired or frustrated is a matter of choice .
His first post did not inspire me - neither did it frustrate me - simply because it did not have any elements to do either of that. However, lack of those elements actually frustrates a reader when there is a post with no meaning. Let's assume for a while that we were not having a discussion presently on the contents of the post - would then there be anything to discuss on the subject of the post? If the post is read in isolation, what purpose does it serve? And if it does not inspire or tell the secrets of success - why should it have been in success stories category?
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Chandresh
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Location: carl sagan's universe
Posted on: 27-11-08 13:39:35
and here I thought that success was a continuous journey.
not only should people talk about how they came here rode around in a beat up car but also how they finally landed their coveted job/profession, bought their homes and kept on growing, got awards, honors . volunteered for organisations, gave time to actually help out other people and also get on TV , give seminars and also get so involved in their work that others seek out their opinion.
and they should post it all along on CD on any thread not just on the success thread.
Though some would say that is boasting and self-promotion.
In my opinion success is not just being super successful like Ratan Tata. Anything small is good.
Also forget the IT bit- in financial analysis, I know people who have worked in France and the US and Hong Kong who have come here and scored work with a '3 figure an hour' *salary, though all the people I know scored the job from their place of previous residence, which does not preclude that they may be some who come here and then look around and score salaries of '3 figures an hour'.
* this is based on a 40 hr week though in reality they are working 55-60 hrs a week so the salary per hour is actually less than 3 figures an hour (but only just) -but that's the industry jargon.
anyway the main point is that success is a continuous journey
