Location: carl sagan's universe
Posted on: 29-11-08 12:26:17
In all the action caused by the Mumbai Massacre looks like nobody on this fourm would like to write on the Tory govt.
Looks like Flaherty's statment has caused enough furor to galvanize the Grits, NDP and BQ to perhaps form a coalition govt and overthrow the Tories.
My personal feeling is that if the $1.95 per head funding for govt elections is dropped from the bill, things will smoothen out and the Tories will continue.
But that would lead to the Tories putting that demand on a separate bill.
However, this $1.95 was put in place just in 2003. Before that there was no such funding available.
What are anybody's views if any.
I am personally disgusted and outraged by this move by the Liberals, the NDP and the Bloc.
At a time like this, when they should be working across party boundaries and vested interests and "vote bank" politics, they do not hesitate in destabilizing the entire country by doing something like this.
It's barely been a month when the Canadian voters (at least the ones that showed up) smacked Dion in the face and told him in clear terms that they do not care for his policies and do not want to see him as Prime Minister.
The finance minister has said they are working actively towards an economic package and will present the budget more than a month early, but the opposition is not happy - why?
Maybe because they think the budget will not contain anything that will please their vested interests and lobby groups.
They think the budget will contain business tax cuts, maybe another percentage cut to the GST and further monetary policy measures.
What the socialists want is deficit financing to bail out the auto makers (hench their primary vote bank and funding sources).
They also want to increase the GST back to its previous level (or even higher), further "social programs" for the freeloaders, etc.
Instead of working with the govt and ensuring we have a good and stable govt. in place, they are playing petty party politics and supporting their own lobby groups.
Even if this coalition were to come into power, there will be constant quibbles, disagreements over which vote bank to support, constant party hopping, and other such mockery of democracy going on.
In fact, that's exactly what I believe this to be - a mockery of democracy.
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"Mah deah, there is much more money to be made in the destruction of civilization than in building it up."
-- Rhett Butler in "Gone with the Wind"
Dion is like a bad dream which won't go away!!
Location: God's own country
Posted on: 01-12-08 18:24:51
Just now the Toronto star has published that both the Liberal, NDP and the Bloc have inked the deal for a coalition. It will be good to see what Stephen Harper will do on the coming Monday. As a shrewed person that he is, he will try to do whatever that he can to break the coalition.
As a Desi born Canadian, I care 2 cents about the political senario. A lot of Candians ,it seems have never faced situations like this (Remember that in India it is the norm) and many are expressing their shock and disbelief that this country will eventually be led by 3 party coalition for 2 1/2 years one of which actually is looking to break up Canada into two.
I for one belive that the Tory govt. must go. The first and foremost reason is b'cos they have never released a stimulus economic package though we have been in a credit crisis for so long. Lots of Automobile, export and construction jobs have gone and the Govt. still has not brought out any one stimulus package ( I also belive that the Liberal Ontario govt. also has done nothing but is looking to the centre for hand outs).
At the end of this coalition, I am sure that the Canadians would be in a better situation to vote for a leader after having seen the COnservative, Liberal, NDP and the Bloc. in power.
bring 'em on..
Peace by TK
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Quote:Why this obsession with "stimulus packages", just like the US.
Originally posted by tamilkuravan
I for one belive that the Tory govt. must go. The first and foremost reason is b'cos they have never released a stimulus economic package though we have been in a credit crisis for so long.
Do you think this is some kind of seasonal flu that can be cured by taking Vicks inhaler or Thermaflu?
This economic crisis has been brewing for a long, long time and has its roots deep within the socio-economic fabric of our times, esp. North America.
Surely you realize that.
What makes you think that an "economic stimulus package" will auto-magically cure this situation?
The Americans have done it - they have implemented several "stimulus packages" over the last 3 months, starting with the bailout of AIG and then the $700B.
Where is it?
Do you see any evidence of things turning around?
Can you propose a magical stimulus package that will cure this overnight?
So you are blaming the Canadian govt. for not magically curing an economic situation that they did not create in the first place, that has enveloped the entire world, and that cannot be cured overnight?
Quote:So what?
Lots of Automobile, export and construction jobs have gone and the Govt. still has not brought out any one stimulus package
These so-called automobile jobs have been sucking our economy.
If we bail them out, you and I will essentially be paying for these slobbers to slack on the job, earning 3 times more than their counterparts in Japanese and other Asian car companies.
You and I will be paying for their health care benefits that are far above most common Americans and pension benefits that are way, way better than most ordinary people.
While most ordinary, hard working people in the US and Canada are seeing their hard-earned retirement savings vanish overnight, these people will continue to have guaranteed pension and benefits until Kingdom Come from our tax dollars.
It is high time that we let these American car manufacturers crash and burn.
They are the largest protectionist industry running today, next only to the arms and warfare industry.
They are inefficient, corrupt, anti-environment and frankly deserve to go under.
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"Mah deah, there is much more money to be made in the destruction of civilization than in building it up."
-- Rhett Butler in "Gone with the Wind"
While I do not support the coalition, I feel this no-confidence vote is Harper's own doing. Time and again he has played the bully trying to steam roll the opposition. In a minority government, it is the PM's responsibility to win the confidence of the majority of the MPs instead of bullying them.
I hope Harper mends his ways and we hope to continue under his minority government for a few more months. Technically, Dion is not even the leader of his own party -when the Liberals themselves believe he is not fit as a leader, how can he be the PM?
The constitution says that leader of the party with most (majority) MPs is chosen as the PM. I believe they will have to change the Citizenship test if this coalition forms a Govt on Monday/next week.
Good luck to all of Canada.
Hiren
Quote:Agreed completely.
Originally posted by hchheda
While I do not support the coalition, I feel this no-confidence vote is Harper's own doing. Time and again he has played the bully trying to steam roll the opposition. In a minority government, it is the PM's responsibility to win the confidence of the majority of the MPs instead of bullying them.
Harper hasn't exactly been non-partisan and integrating.
And he's played the bully as you said.
He has a significant Western Canada bias and seems to be out of touch with Ontario's needs.
Regardless of that, what the opposition is doing is just plain wrong and irresponsible.
Dion thinks he's the phoenix - 1 month ago he wasn't even fit enough to lead his own sorry party and now all of a sudden he's fit enough to be a PM?
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"Mah deah, there is much more money to be made in the destruction of civilization than in building it up."
-- Rhett Butler in "Gone with the Wind"
