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Posted on: 03-10-04 00:12:51
Say s'apen BL?
People who want to continue living with their inferiority complexes can continue to believe that this country belongs to Goras
that there quote is from you. What makes ya think that people live with their inferiority complex 'cos this coumtry belongs to goras? Wops are goras to us but they think they are outcasts. So do Polacks and other goras from other countries other than Canada, so puhlees if ya don't mind explain yerself. I would like to comprehend yer train o' thought.
I ain't a tryin' to knock yer pal, I's jes a tryin' to flash where yer comin' from.( I know there are wops and Polacks etc who have integrated themselves into the mindset of Canadians- my point is the gora part of your statement- ain't got zilch to do with if one is gora or otherwise)
Rather, I personally drew a lot closer to India emotionally once I moved out.
Above is another quote from you- yeah I can dig it- reflects the dull and insipid truism- "absence makes the heart grow fonder".
You also seem to be saying that since your two GORA heroes (Shrub and Kerry) only say good things about their country, how can desis do anything different? Well, goras may be your heroes, not mine. I could not care less what they say or do, I actually have brain
whoa so you are saying you don't give a darn as to what the goras say. You are an island upon itself. Far out! Comin' from a moderator that is a purty strong statement. You are suppose to take the middle path- but yeah ,yeah, when you are in the middle of the road you get run over! So better choose sides. You also flew off the handle on another thread and got on the defensive by saying you are human so "pardon me". One can pardon upto a certain degree only where a moderator is concerned, as per my understanding a moderator is to be as impartial as can be- and in my opinion you get much too emotional at certain moments.
Another observation- not only fer you but for all- no politician talks ill of his country- only the inhabitants do, and they do it for their oen self improvement. Canadians and Americans talk ill of their country like us desis in the hope the country will improve. But politicians only talk ill of each other usually not of the country esp at the level the debate between Bush and Kerry was conducted.
I welcome your comments if you deem my statements worthy of any
Hang loose,
BKB
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BKB,
Huh?? Did you really post that after reading the whole thread or just my post? Seems to me you're missing a whole lotta context. Would suggest you read the whole thread bearing in mind that I've been following discussions here long enough to know the mindset of regular contributors. Anyways, let me reinvent the wheel for you...
(By the way, the way you quote makes your post really difficult to read, the right way to do it is to enclose it within qualifiers [ quote ] & [ / quote ] without the spaces in the brackets)
My statement was in response to this statement by Kap
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You have mentioned right thing, I also argued with BL but BL has not been agreed.
I hope you have seen on TV yesterday, the debate between Bush and Kerry, No of them spoke any bad word about their country America and see on this board, our some desi are ready to speaks only bad things for India (Actually each and every desi knows bad things of India, nothing new)."
Basically, the point being made here is that because India is our country, we should not say anything bad about it. Just the same way the Americans don't say anything bad about their country. Do you agree?
And what about the fact that Canada is my country too?? I have been living here for over 4 years. This is my home now. Its not my motherland, but it IS my adopted country and I adopted it out of my very own choice. So when I hear statements from people like "Hey, the goras are doing this to us, the goras won't give us jobs, this country belongs to the goras and they have some conspiracy to keep us down, it sounds like an inferiority complex to me. Don't know about you, but I'm no victim. Every community in Canada affects me one way or other, but none conspire to control my life and I don't feel any one community owns the country.
FYI, I never refer to a White Canadian as a gora myself, when I speak with one there's no feelings like "oh wow! I'm speaking to a gora!". The feeling's mostly no different from speaking to another Canadian who may be an Indian or a Pakistani. Hard to comprehend?
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Rather, I personally drew a lot closer to India emotionally once I moved out.
Above is another quote from you- yeah I can dig it- reflects the dull and insipid truism- "absence makes the heart grow fonder".
May sound dull and insipid to you again, but its more than that. I left India when I was 20 and at that point, I didn't fully appreciate the gravity of what I was embarking upon. Lived in 5 countries since then and each place made me realize more and more how much I value the foundation that India gave me. I would suggest reading Meghal's post titled "My identity crisis", reflects beautifully a lot of my emotions. Although I would not term it as an identity crisis for myself, I do feel a lot of things he's feeling too. Its not as simple as "absence makes the heart grow fonder".
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whoa so you are saying you don't give a darn as to what the goras say. You are an island upon itself. Far out! Comin' from a moderator that is a purty strong statement. You are suppose to take the middle path- but yeah ,yeah, when you are in the middle of the road you get run over! So better choose sides. You also flew off the handle on another thread and got on the defensive by saying you are human so "pardon me". One can pardon upto a certain degree only where a moderator is concerned, as per my understanding a moderator is to be as impartial as can be- and in my opinion you get much too emotional at certain moments.
Another observation- not only fer you but for all- no politician talks ill of his country- only the inhabitants do, and they do it for their oen self improvement. Canadians and Americans talk ill of their country like us desis in the hope the country will improve. But politicians only talk ill of each other usually not of the country esp at the level the debate between Bush and Kerry was conducted.
I welcome your comments if you deem my statements worthy of any
Again, if context was king, you're nowhere near the kingdom. All I was trying to say (forcefully though, I concede) is that just because Bush-Kerry (or a gora as others use the term, not me) say nothing bad about their country, does that mean I should do the same?
With all the love I have for India, I cannot turn a blind eye to the issues there. Rather its the love that makes me inspect them more closely and ponder upon possible solutions. In your own out of context way, I think you're saying the same thing.
The moderator advice/comments you make aren't really worth much. All I'll say is that I'm a member of the site and a moderator at the same time. Being moderator has no bearing on my opinions and when I express them, I'm expressing them as an immigrant in Canada, not as a moderator of the site. Comprende?
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Orginally posted by sanjeevm
YOU MIGHT 'NOT' BE DESI IF YOU LIKE THE FOLLOWING STORY AND DO NOT FEEL LIKE DOING A 'NAKED JOOTA PARADE IN A CHOWK' FOR SUCH PEOPLE AND SUCH SOCIETY.
BTW, Welcome to Canada, the land of opportunities for making your kids' future (and did any one say culture too???) bright and prosperous.
In the last few posts, we seem to have digressed from the topic. The issue here was that Sanjeevm took this one incident from the Toronto Star, added on the comments in quotes above, and attributed this to 'Canadian culture' and opportunities in general. In one of my first posts on this thread, I drew a comparison with female infanticide in India, because if you want to say that this isolated incident is representative of Canadian culture, then you'd have to say that female infanticide - which is a pattern of premeditated murder - has to be a part of 'Indian culture'.
In either case, the death of a child, no matter how its caused, is something terrible - can't see what is there to like in this story (note the first line from Sanjeevm's post quoted above).
Nicefolks had this other post about Orientals / Chinese integrating into the country much better.......maybe the reason they are able to do this is because they don't go around Canada-bashing at every possible opportunity. We seem to have this holier-than-thou attitude - exemplified by Sanjeevm's post above - that our 'culture' is somehow superior to everyone else's.
S'up BL,
Refer to the post you wrote just before crenshaw.
Huh right back at ya!
Entiende amigo?
If not bone up on some e.e. cummings
BKB
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May sound dull and insipid to you again, but its more than that. I left India when I was 20 and at that point, I didn't fully appreciate the gravity of what I was embarking upon. Lived in 5 countries since then and each place made me realize more and more how much I value the foundation that India gave me.
Above quote from BL
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Perhaps the above would explain why you have no hang-ups speaking to "goras" and that one fresh straight from India would. You split when you were 20 and lived in 5 countries since then. I don't know which but if you have interacted with people of many nationalities before, you would take speaking to a gora in its stride. Think of the souls who are fresh off the (Jefferson) airplane and direct from India.
Even other goras from East Europe take great pride in saying they have native born Canadians as friends and parade them to their kind. It is just a natural thing, whether you be brown, chinese, or gora from what the world considers a lesser developed country.
That is my observation- no stats to back it up- just by mingling.
Anybody going to the Metallica concert on Oct 6 at the ACC?-just so you guys remember the original title of this thread. Supposedly that kinda music entrances you to do what Dasilva did and worse.
BKB
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Geez BKB, I digress from the topic here, but I didn't think I would find someone talking about the Metallica show on this site......LOL
I'll probably make it, if I can get some of my friends to go, but yeah I won't be leaving an unattended infant at home, so we won't have a repeat of the DeSilva story.........
Geez BKB, I digress from the topic here, but I didn't think I would find someone talking about the Metallica show on this site......LOL
Above quote from crenshaw
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BKB
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