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Posted on: 08-11-04 12:49:13
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Orginally posted by mercury6
[I must say I have heard a lot of those positive people here (successful or not) saying that there is "Dignity of labor".....so much for it...now we know better
Merc, there is. However the dignity comes from the person doing the labor rather than the act itself. You have been with us for some time now...each time I read your posts...you seem to be going deeper into a place(that I believe) is not where you belong. I actually recommend that you stay away from cdesi for a while.
Ofcourse you can also show me your middle finger
"Out beyond ideas of right-doing and wrong-doing there is a field. I'll meet you there"- Rumi
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Orginally posted by mercury6
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Orginally posted by crenshaw
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Orginally posted by mercury6
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Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic
I think it was very mean of you to try and drag mercury's job into this discussion!!
I did feel a nasty vibe coming from him but chose to ignore it. Now that you have brought it up I must say I have heard a lot of those positive people here (successful or not) saying that there is "Dignity of labor".....so much for it...now we know better. And the "Chinks" thing..comon....
Your other points just strengthens my position too.....
Good for you! You started it with the "you can choose to ignore the obvious" comment on the first page!
Good Indeed. BTW, I posted before you...so really you started it....
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Orginally posted by crenshaw
How do you infer that I have a super bloated ego?
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1. From you to mercury:
"I mean you think English language skills are not important and you work in a warehouse, based on what you've posted on other threads......."
2. To sridharm:
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Orginally posted by sridharm
Mercury I am sorry the message was not meant for you and I had sent it by error from my browser.
I sincerely apologize for the inconvenience to you.
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Response from you to a post from sridharam that was not even addressed to you:
"Talent and intelligence shining through!!!........"
3. From BL to Crenshaw:
Cren,
Please edit/rephrase that. You may have meant it in the right sense, it comes across very badly though in the context of the story.
4. To mercury:
Good for the chinks who are doing well without knowing English. Bottomline is you aren't there yet,.....
5. You have even taken someone's PM to you, and posted it on the board inviting others to join you in your sneering and jeering!
These are just some examples. Your bloated ego is manifested in your posts - the way you react, the way you write, your choice of words, the language and tenor, the way you make fun of someone's shortcomings etc.
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Orginally posted by crenshaw
I’m as “big” as I am.
Well then, it would be better if you also behave only as "big" as you really are.
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Orginally posted by crenshaw
We were having a discussion, I put it into perspective
What perspective? That the reason mercury had his opinion was because he worked in a warehouse?? What is the "perspective" in this? It is nothing but making unfounded and unsubstantiated assumptions and that is reprehensible.
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Orginally posted by crenshaw
Its your language that’s inappropriate for a public forum!
So, now you know how it feels on account of "inappropriate" langauge?
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Orginally posted by crenshaw
The issue here is about people who come onto this forum and complain about how difficult it is to find jobs in Canada, how difficult it is to integrate, etc, yet cannot frame straight sentences in English or they frame sentences in a manner that conveys a totally different meaning.
This particulart thread was only a suggestion that people should make efforts at improving their english. There are plenty of people who cannot frame straight sentences but are successful and rich. Moreover, people can certainly complain, grumble and generally go about and do what they want without you poking fun at their langauge.
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Orginally posted by crenshaw
Yet, no matter how technical a position is, an intending job applicant must be able to communicate their technical abilities to a prospective employer. Being unable to do this is always going to be a hindrance to the job applicant no matter what kind of job vacancy we are talking about.
As usual you are stretching things out of context. In the types of jobs that I mentioned, while it may be a good to have, fluency in english occupies a much lower rung in the list of requirements. That is all that mercury was trying to say and that is absolutely correct.
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Orginally posted by crenshaw
The communication skills requirements are both written (to be able to present a good Resume), and oral (being able to communicate with their prosepctive employers during the course of an interview). There is also the issue of being able to integrate with a team at the workplace for which a degree of language fluency does come into play.
As stated by mercury, and seconded by me, come by if you have the time and I will show you how as many as you want of those who are working in well paying jobs, are successful and have integrated quite well with their teams at workplaces, for work related issues. They might not be as well integrated with colleagues at the social level, but then that is not the issue that was being discussed.
It is certainly desirable to have good command of english, but considering that as a fundamental requirement for all types of jobs is an exagerration. It is determined more by the type and line of work that one is in.
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Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic
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1. To mercury:
I mean you think English language skills are not important and you work in a warehouse, based on what you've posted on other threads.......
2. To sridharm:
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Orginally posted by sridharm
Mercury I am sorry the message was not meant for you and I had sent it by error from my browser.
I sincerely apologize for the inconvenience to you.
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Talent and intelligence shining through!!!........
3. From BL to Crenshaw:
Cren,
Please edit/rephrase that. You may have meant it in the right sense, it comes across very badly though in the context of the story.
4. To mercury:
Good for the chinks who are doing well without knowing English. Bottomline is you aren't there yet,.....
...And many more. Your bloated ego is manifested in your pots - the way you react, the way you write, your choice of words, the way you make fun of someone's shortcomings etc.
Each one of those posts was in a specific context.
Didn't make fun of anyone's shortcomings, merely stated the obvious.
Or are you talking about the fact that I exposed you when you started posting as both Wisernow and Diogenes, with viewpoints that contradicted each other?
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Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic
Well then, it would be better if you also behave only as "big" as you really are.
I behave in a manner that is consistent with how "big" I am, thank you, I will continue to behave in a manner that I see fit, including exposing your multiple id's when I find them.
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Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic
What perspective? That the reason mercury had his opinion was because he worked in a warehouse?? What is the "perspective" in this? It is nothing but making unfounded and unsubstantiated assumptions and that is reprehensible.
I said that the fact that Mercury works in a warehouse is POSSIBLY related to the fact that he considers that knowledge of English is not important. Those were the words........I believe it put the entire discussion that we were having into perspective.
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Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic
So, now you know how it feels on account of "inappropriate" langauge?
Oh, I wasn't affected by it at all! Just told you that you were using language that was inappropriate.
Nothing you say can affect me too much, you're just a frustrated SINGLE middle aged loser............who can't even carry off multiple id's on a website without being found out.
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Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic
This particulart thread was only a suggestion that people should make efforts at improving their english.
Which is what was being discussed, before you came across with your post addressed to me.
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Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic
There are plenty of people who cannot frame straight sentences but are successful and rich. Moreover, people can certainly complain, grumble and generally go about and do what they want without you poking fun at their langauge.
Good for the people who do well without a rudimentary knowledge of English. My posts were meant for those who haven't got there, telling them that their language skills (or the lack thereof) are a hindrance in moving forward.
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Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic
As usual you are stretching things out of context.
Exactly what you do
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Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic
In the types of jobs that I mentioned, while it may be a good to have, fluency in english occupies a much lower rung in the list of requirements. That is all that mercury was trying to say and that is absolutely correct.
My point is, someone coming from a foreign country with a foreing qualification needs to express him(her)self to their prospective employers. If they are not going to be able to do that with reasonable fluency, they aren't going to go forward.
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Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic
As stated by mercury, and seconded by me, come by if you have the time and I will show you how as many as you want of those who are working in well paying jobs, are successful and have integrated quite well with their teams at workplaces, for work related issues. They might not be as well integrated with colleagues at the social level, but then that is not the issue that was being discussed.
It is certainly desirable to have good command of english, but considering that as a fundamental requirement for all types of jobs is an exagerration. It is determined more by the type and line of work that one is in.
You're entitled to your views, I'm entitled to mine. I will post mine as I see fit.........
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Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic
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Orginally posted by crenshaw
How do you infer that I have a super bloated ego?
Samples:
1. From you to mercury:
"I mean you think English language skills are not important and you work in a warehouse, based on what you've posted on other threads......."
2. To sridharm:
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Orginally posted by sridharm
Mercury I am sorry the message was not meant for you and I had sent it by error from my browser.
I sincerely apologize for the inconvenience to you.
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Response from you to a post from sridharam that was not even addressed to you:
"Talent and intelligence shining through!!!........"
3. From BL to Crenshaw:
Cren,
Please edit/rephrase that. You may have meant it in the right sense, it comes across very badly though in the context of the story.
4. To mercury:
Good for the chinks who are doing well without knowing English. Bottomline is you aren't there yet,.....
5. You have even taken someone's PM to you, and posted it on the board inviting others to join you in your sneering and jeering!
These are just some examples. Your bloated ego is manifested in your posts - the way you react, the way you write, your choice of words, the language and tenor, the way you make fun of someone's shortcomings etc.
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Orginally posted by crenshaw
I’m as “big” as I am.
Well then, it would be better if you also behave only as "big" as you really are.
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Orginally posted by crenshaw
We were having a discussion, I put it into perspective
What perspective? That the reason mercury had his opinion was because he worked in a warehouse?? What is the "perspective" in this? It is nothing but making unfounded and unsubstantiated assumptions and that is reprehensible.
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Orginally posted by crenshaw
Its your language that’s inappropriate for a public forum!
So, now you know how it feels on account of "inappropriate" langauge?
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Orginally posted by crenshaw
The issue here is about people who come onto this forum and complain about how difficult it is to find jobs in Canada, how difficult it is to integrate, etc, yet cannot frame straight sentences in English or they frame sentences in a manner that conveys a totally different meaning.
This particulart thread was only a suggestion that people should make efforts at improving their english. There are plenty of people who cannot frame straight sentences but are successful and rich. Moreover, people can certainly complain, grumble and generally go about and do what they want without you poking fun at their langauge.
Quote:
Orginally posted by crenshaw
Yet, no matter how technical a position is, an intending job applicant must be able to communicate their technical abilities to a prospective employer. Being unable to do this is always going to be a hindrance to the job applicant no matter what kind of job vacancy we are talking about.
As usual you are stretching things out of context. In the types of jobs that I mentioned, while it may be a good to have, fluency in english occupies a much lower rung in the list of requirements. That is all that mercury was trying to say and that is absolutely correct.
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Orginally posted by crenshaw
The communication skills requirements are both written (to be able to present a good Resume), and oral (being able to communicate with their prosepctive employers during the course of an interview). There is also the issue of being able to integrate with a team at the workplace for which a degree of language fluency does come into play.
As stated by mercury, and seconded by me, come by if you have the time and I will show you how as many as you want of those who are working in well paying jobs, are successful and have integrated quite well with their teams at workplaces, for work related issues. They might not be as well integrated with colleagues at the social level, but then that is not the issue that was being discussed.
It is certainly desirable to have good command of english, but considering that as a fundamental requirement for all types of jobs is an exagerration. It is determined more by the type and line of work that one is in.
Well said. Absolutely true in case of crenshaw.
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Orginally posted by crenshaw
Each one of those posts was in a specific context.
Is the discussion here about "context"? I don't think so! Who's talking about context? You wanted to know why I thought you had a super inflated ego. I gave you quotes from your posts. The quoted posts only exemplify my point. Out of context or in context is not the issue!
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Orginally posted by crenshaw
Didn't make fun of anyone's shortcomings, merely stated the obvious.
You do make fun of people's shortcomings, especially their english language. You come across as an arrogant and conceited egotist. There will be several who can corroborate my view.
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Orginally posted by crenshaw
Or are you talking about the fact that I exposed you when you started posting as both Wisernow and Diogenes, with viewpoints that contradicted each other?
Why do you keep giving more evidence of your juvenile mind? Can't you do any better than to drag something from somewhere, regardless of whether it is relevant or not, only because you foolishly think it will help you beat someone?!? You exposed nothing! That was yet another of your failed snooty attempts at trying to show your smarty pants. And do you remember that you had been reprimanded by the mod there too?
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Orginally posted by crenshaw
I behave in a manner that is consistent with how "big" I am...snip..
Unfortunately you don't. It would be nice if you stopped nitpicking and ridiculing people.
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Orginally posted by crenshaw
I said that the fact that Mercury works in a warehouse is POSSIBLY related to the fact that he considers that knowledge of English is not important.
Yeah, SO?! You were trying to say that it is POSSIBLY because mercury works in low paid warehouse labour type jobs, he does not know what it takes to be successful! Right? That his insights, intelligence and knowledege are inferior to yours because his work is inferior to yours. Right? And that IS a mean and contemptible thing to say to someone!
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Orginally posted by crenshaw
Nothing you say can affect me too much, you're just a frustrated SINGLE middle aged loser............
There you are! You just proved my point again! Now go ahead and justify this too as "putting into perspective" and bring it "in context". Go ahead and justify that it is not poking fun at me for being single and middle aged!
And my dear Mr "English", do you even know what "loser" means? Maybe it is time YOU needed to brush up on your english for a change!
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Orginally posted by crenshaw
Which is what was being discussed, before you came across with your post addressed to me.
No, you were not discussing that when I came in! You were on your high horse and busy in your childish mocking of someone, when I came in with my post addressed to you.
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Orginally posted by crenshaw
Good for the people who do well without a rudimentary knowledge of English. My posts were meant for those who haven't got there, telling them that their language skills (or the lack thereof) are a hindrance in moving forward.
Please don't try to twist what you said. Mercury mentioned that he knew many chinese people who were doing quite well even though their english was terrible. To that you responded ridiculing his opinion being what it was because he worked menial jobs. In fact it was mercury who was trying to say that requirement of fluency in english is not mandatory for everybody. On that you jumped on him and ridiculed him. And now you say that you post was meant only for a specific set of people!?!? Either you agree with what mercury said or you don't.
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Orginally posted by crenshaw
My point is, someone coming from a foreign country with a foreing qualification needs to express him(her)self to their prospective employers. If they are not going to be able to do that with reasonable fluency, they aren't going to go forward.
I have already said that it is certainly a good-to-have! My contention is only on your disagreement with mercury when he mentioned that people have managed to be successful without being fluent in english, and you then ridiculing him for not knowing the real scene and attributing it to his employment in warehouse type jobs!
Get off your horse, grow up and get a friggin life!
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The Cynic
You seem to have some real angst don't you?
Still frustrated about the Wisernow, diogenes expose?
