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Posted on: 18-11-04 15:32:48
Guys,
I am neither a whiner notram I on the success brigade. I went through God is greats story and have the following request for him:
No doubt that some people are dished out more than their share of good luck in life!! It happens but I think the receiver of that good luck should share his experience in a manner that will benefit other people.
So God is great:
1) Could you share your "Best resume you ever made" with us humble folks so that we may also see the light of day.
2) Could you post the location of the Manpower office (I am not asking for a name since that could put you in an awkward position) which gave you an interview appointment while you were sitting in India so that prospective immigrant sitting in India may also benefit from such kind cooperative and helping HR consultants. All I could manage was a curt "Well call you" and I was in Canada. But again some people are blessed with superior luck..... ah that luck.
3) I have heard of Walk-in haircut appts but this is the first time I have heard of a walk-in interview for a Senior level sales position. Oh well! you live an learn. Thanks for increasing my knowledge.
4) Lastly you have said "Know your USP". Could you share your USP with us. For u to have been offered so many positions in one week your USP must must really be exceptional. Maybe some of us here can benefit by adopting or adapting that USP.
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I have only 2 cents to contribute, not a cent more, not a cent less ;-)
And while on "success" stories. I know that success means different things to different people and generally people have to be allowed to make their own decisions as to what constitutes success. But defining success as getting a "job" in one's own field is a kind of narrow definition of success.
After all if you were in India with a good education and experience and you landed an average to good job in your own field would you call that success? NO you would consider it a part of everday life since you have the qualifications and the credentials.
The definition of success should be the same in Canada as it is in India for each individual. Most of us are permenant residents here. Do you see native Canadians talking about success as getting a job in their field. No they define success as driving that Merc or BMW, vacationing in France and buying a house in Rosedale.
BY defining success as getting a job all we are doing is agreeing to the fact that there is a difference between immigrants and locals as far as building a life in Canada goes.
I have a good job which pays reasonably well but do I consider myself a success. No I don't because as a qualified, educated permenant resident of this country who pays his taxes, obeys laws and contributes to the community thats the LEAST I deserve. A chance to live my life as the ordinary native Canadian, which regretably many immigrants have to struggle to get to.
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I have only 2 cents to contribute, not a cent more, not a cent less ;-)
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Orginally posted by mercury6
Sorry, all this WHINING thing has been started by the SWBs.....when all it is is disagreeing on issues faced by immigrants.
Bl was the only one who objected to the tone of the accusations(which interestingly did not occur until much later in that long thread about that ubdul rahman? misfortune story). So what whining are you talking about?...unless its my one liner that struck a raw nerve.
When you can only identify with misery and try to prove that its the only thing that exists, you *may* have a problem.
A disagreement is what my2cents and Chandresh have posted...I do not consider that whining even though theres plenty I do not agree with in those posts. What you and others were doing was not disagreeing it was whining. I am sure you know EXACTLY what I am talking about
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Other things aside, I would indeed appreciate confirmation and proof that the story is true.
More importantly, even if did turn out to be true, it certainly does not belong to the "success stories" section for the simple reason that it presents a totally wrong and skewed picture of the ground realities in the country. As is common, the story does not have any uniquely significant and worthwhile suggestions or constructive recommendations that people are not ALREADY aware of.
Let us for a moment try and extract the "useful" information from the narrative. After reading the story, what would an average reader conlcude about the key factors that helped this gentleman achieve such spectacular success in such short a time? Purging the post of rhetoric, of which there is an abundance, and retaining only the somewhat
practicable advice, I think this is what we get(quoted as far a possible):
My remarks/observations follow each recommendation/suggestion.
Before coming:
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1.stopped watching Kyonki Saas and started concentrating on websites where they gave all information on Canada, jobs, culture, climate etc.
Having applied for immigration, almost everyone DOES spend a lot of time on the web learning about Canada, and looking up jobs on monster etc. How many has it helped?
2. Surf the net and use it to make one of the best Resumes.
I feel like puking every time I hear it now!! This "resume" thing has been done to death!! 
3. Call up Manpower consultants in Canada and leave messages on their voice mail.
Not clear if this activity did really help the gentleman. Wonder what the other desis have to say in general about the success rate of recruiters getting jobs for immigrants, that too calling from India.
4. two months the number of applications sent out - 500 .
I am afraid that appears to be a highly inflated figure. A search for jobs in SAP brings up only 408 jobs for the whole of Canada and they include all types of jobs in SAP in all modules.
After coming:
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1.A good resume is a key and your resume must outshine others.
:: TC goes to the washroom...(sounds of retching)...comes back:::
2. Practice interview skills, learn local lingo and anecdotes.
First part quite common. What does “local lingo” mean? Learning words like “dude”, “cool” etc? Is that likely to help in an interview. Please realize that the gentleman has mentioned it as distinct from learning proper English.
3. Read a lot on Canada.
Really? I thought we had got over that in the “before” phase?! Read what? History of Canada, the natives what?
4. English, English and English – work on that department.
I think we have an entire thread dedicated to this issue and so I will reserve my comments.
5. Networking works.
Now THAT is what I call one helluva tip!!!
6. spending close to 10-12 hrs jointly surfing the net every day.
That is really a lot of time and certainly not recommended because it leaves you with very little time to do many other more useful things.
7. Did not attend the Settlement session at the immigration consultant.
That is a need based requirement and has no bearing on job hunting.
8. surfed the web in the wee hours of the morning. I used to sleep at midnight and get up at 3:00 am in the morning. Sending resumes
Not clear how surfing the web in the “wee” hours of the morning is any better than surfing at any other time of the day.
9. Weekend – while others are out shopping and meeting friends, I surf the net
Whew!! That is humongous amount of surfing.
10. Befriend the Librarian at Brampton Library and show her my resume
Worthy suggestion!
11. dressed for the occasion
None:
12. Decide not to buy steel boots.
Good decision!
Summarizing even further, the one factor that has been repeatedly stressed is “surfing”. Is there anything else that is important or not already known to all and sundry that I am missing?? Please do point it out.
Nothing is gained from the story, except that if it is true, it only lends credence to the fact that opportunity and chance are even greater players than was originally conceived!
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The Cynic
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Orginally posted by my2cents
The definition of success should be the same in Canada as it is in India for each individual. Most of us are permenant residents here. Do you see native Canadians talking about success as getting a job in their field. No they define success as driving that Merc or BMW, vacationing in France and buying a house in Rosedale.
Note that the success that you are talking about(including the house in Rosedale) is elusive even to *native* Canadian. So it takes an above average immigrant to be able to make it till there. Average people have average aspirations(immigrant or otherwise). Most *native* canadians, I know are those who are happy in a job in their field and call themselves successful.
I agree that *native* canadians DO have the advantage of being exposed to and part of the work culture that the immigrants are trying to break into. Exactly like my brother who is a Bombay boy beats the boy from a village in mangalore(who may be better qualified) when trying out for a job in the Ad(creative) industry. In the IT industry that village boy may not have the same problems. Ofcourse a lot depends on the boy himself whatever the industry.
Are the odds stacked against immigrants when it comes to that Rosedale house. Sure! Does it stop the people who CAN take it on. Not really!
If that kind of success had a formula like "qualified, educated permenant resident of this country who pays his taxes, obeys laws and contributes to the community ", then... sure...we all deserve to be there. Is that entitlement mentality a part of our problem? It sure reminds me of what I read that say that those ideas belong to a past age...now that the industrial era and safe/secure/job-for-life era has gone by. Was the above criteria how any of the big names we admire today and in the past, made their vast fortune's?
Add salesmanship to the mix and maybe theres a better chance of getting to a better formula.
I hope you and I can acheive the same success that the ABOVE average canadian has defined for themselves...we have to prove that we are above average first(immigrant or otherwise).
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Dio,Merc, Kap ,
If i may just add an observation here...It took 4 pages and probably hours of constant counter responses from BL and Jake to make you change your tone from
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Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic
In fact I am willing to bet a C$100 that your story is baloney!! Want to take me up on it!! What say you guys??
to this
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Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic
Nothing is gained from the story, except that if it is true, it only lends credence to the fact that opportunity and chance are even greater players than was originally conceived!
is it really worth the effort to demolish other's personal stories as boloney without knowing all the facts.....if BL and Jake had not put some objectivity ....scores of people back in india would be carried away with your views that this is all boloney .
There are some very valuable tips in GiG's post which many can benefit from. I think you might agree that focussing on summary of tips given by him would be more beneficial.
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Orginally posted by Mishtar India
There are some very valuable tips in GiG's post which many can benefit from. I think you might agree that focussing on summary of tips given by him would be more beneficial.
The important thing that stands out to me from the post...and this goes out to ALL the immigrants who are trying to get ahead is
**Sell yourself.**(no wisecracks please
Thats all that it comes down to at the end of the day. The difference in why some people with all their qualifications/experience may NOT have been able to get a break is MOST probably this singular reason. They have not been able to guage the mood of their prospective customer(company/interviewer) and hence may not have been able to pitch accordingly. The downward mental spiral that follows does not help in imporving the pitch any.
My first boss told me(when I was 19-20) that the world belongs to salesmen...if you can sell then you can maximise the scope of your opportunities/options. It did not make much sense to me then and I chose to focus on the technical aspects. I now realise the wisdom of those words.
As a successful writer once pointed out to another good writer(who was not successful)...the one who makes it is mostly the best-selling one, not the best-writing one.
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