My success story by God is Great!
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Posted on: 19-11-04 00:05:06
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Orginally posted by Mishtar India
Dio,Merc, Kap ,
If i may just add an observation here...It took 4 pages and probably hours of constant counter responses from BL and Jake to make you change your tone from ......
MI,
That may be the whole point though. For whatever reasons (mostly ego), some people cry ATTAAACK at the very mention of success here on the forum
. This story was just posted yesterday and look at the number of people ready to jump on it. Whatever the intentions, the idea here is to relentlessly trample upon everything that sounds like success. let us post stories after stories of failure, because "that is ground reality here". But post a success story? Take him out. That way we will paint a very balanced picture for prospective immigrants indeed. And wait! There is no room for second opinions. People here are so right, they can command the waves to a standstill if they wave a wand.
Look at some of the ridiculous dissections done for the sake of preservation of vanity and hurt egos here.
What a colossal waste of time!So now, whoever posts a success story has to justify their whole life to these guys. They have to justify why they kept their diaries or justify why they went to the library and justify why they drank 8 glasses of water everyday. And you know what?? Even if this person does identify himself, these same people are all just waiting to jump on him. "Why did you do this? What's new about this? Why don't you justify your existence on the planet?
"I am baffled by this animosity, I have to confess! Pointless egotistical rantings that mean little if anything. Instead of asking a simple question about the idendity of the person, let us start by calling him a clown, a moron and a yarn-spinner. Now there's "rational thinking" people for you, a sure-fire attitude to achieve success in life.
Time must be cheap.
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GiG's story is not too good to be true.
There are quite a few things in his narration which i can relate to very well .... I feel this is really the way it should be .
To me it is all more fresh, i was doing all that just in the beginning of this year and late last year.
I also had builtup many files/diary full of documents, printouts of
lots of info on settlement into canada and my target companies, what is so surprising about that?
People in india can benefit greatly from spending hours on the web researching Canada. 5-6 yrs ago not many one had the luxury of internet ....it is the best tool to prep. the immigrants now have a much better advantage than immigrants in the past because of info on internet.
USP - So very true, if a candidate walks into an interview and shows testimonials from former clients/employers on the achievements , one can have a lot more impact . Selling yourself is the biggest key. But before you sell your skills to the employer, you must believe in your skills and abilities from very deep within. Many immigrants stay unsure of themselves, then how can they convince other's of thier abilities.
What was my UPS - I carried a picture/profile of all the projects I worked in the past and summarised my achievement on the pictire itself. If the oppotunity presented itself at the interview, i even did a little presentation to the interveiwers....there are so many unique little things one can do to stand out.
I also sent resumes relenlessly to hundreds of employers, customised for the job openings. Sending the same resume everywhere wont get you many responses.
and one must not forget that GiG claims to be a passout from top tech and management univs ....so I am not one bit surprised that he could get multiple offers so quick.....indian premier institutes are well known worldwide.
So to me this account is very real as i went thru similar prep process.
Cetrain things which i completely resonate with are
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To Summarize:
Before Immigrating:
Know yourself and what makes you an USP ( Unique Selling Proposition) here in Canada.
After Landing:
Believe in yourself. Don’t go by hearsay. Work Hard. Work Smart. Do not go about Sight seeing in Toronto. Toronto is here to stay and you are going to here for a long time.
Cannot emphasize enough on staying away from those who tell you that you cant do it .
If others failed to click, it doesnt mean that you will fail to click as well.
Things could be hard, but never impossible.
Thanks for posting your story GiG.
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While not, in any way, supporting the strong words used by Dio, Kap or Merc, I feel some of us are fully justified in 'suspecting' the truthfulness of the GiG's narration after what we have gone through on this site with fake ids and all the yarns spun by 'ghost' writers.
But if BL knows GiG and have met him (the going criterion to be a genuine id) then we should believe the story and congratulate GiG on his success. He has lot to contribute to the site and does not have to be embarrassed by his success. He can come forward and reveal his senior desi id.
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Orginally posted by YoursTruly
While not, in any way, supporting the strong words used by Dio, Kap or Merc, I feel some of us are fully justified in 'suspecting' the truthfulness of the GiG's narration after what we have gone through on this site with fake ids and all the yarns spun by 'ghost' writers.
Finally a voice of reason. And I agree. I would not have any objections to a notion that the story may not be real, especially after all the stuff that has happened recently. However, I could not disagree more with the way this was orchestrated.
I do not know fully the poster's reasons to remain anonymous. But ever since I've been moderating this forum there have been a few instances where people have posted their experiences only to have them retracted later by Garvo or me.
The main reason given was that after posting their detailed experiences (which in some cases were stories of struggle), they started getting calls from relatives in India, a testament to how popular this site is getting. Having to explain their experiences/struggles to their extended families became an embarassment. In other instances, people asked to take off their posts after getting bombarded with demeaning remarks that they never expected. And this is one of the reasons we created the Success Stories section such that only moderators can post questions there on behalf of other users.
The original poster's reasons to remain anonymous may be one of the above or may be something different. Regardless, I will speak to him over the weekend and see if he would like to come forward. But that will remain his choice.
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But if BL knows GiG and have met him (the going criterion to be a genuine id) then we should believe the story and congratulate GiG on his success. He has lot to contribute to the site and does not have to be embarrassed by his success. He can come forward and reveal his senior desi id.
My knowing someone is not the going criterion for being a genuine id
. It is in this instance since the poster spoke to over the phone and I have met him at CanadianDesi meetings. In all other cases, we have to rely on IP addresses or people's good intentions. With the current "free" structure, where pretty much everyone here (including yourself) are taking out time from their personal and professional lives for the benefit of others, I do not see an alternative.-----------------------------------------------------------------
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Orginally posted by Mishtar India
If i may just add an observation here...It took 4 pages and probably hours of constant counter responses from BL and Jake to make you change your tone from
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Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic
In fact I am willing to bet a C$100 that your story is baloney!! Want to take me up on it!! What say you guys??
to this
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Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic
Nothing is gained from the story, except that if it is true, it only lends credence to the fact that opportunity and chance are even greater players than was originally conceived!
Whoa!! I am sorry to disappoint you, but you are reading more into what I have said than what I mean.
The first statement is an inkling, an IMPRESSION that I get from reading the post by GiG.
OTOH, the second statement is nothing more than a factual analysis of the narrative, notwithstanding, and despite, that impression.
The two are therefore entirely different and are in no way related. And so there is no change of tone from anything to anything!
In your haste to strike back, you guys seem to be willing to sacrifice your sense of logic and debate even!
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Orginally posted by Mishtar India
is it really worth the effort to demolish other's personal stories as boloney without knowing all the facts.....if BL and Jake had not put some objectivity ....scores of people back in india would be carried away with your views that this is all boloney.
I still maintain that view. And it would be better indeed if those scores of people back in India DID consider this story as baloney, because if they don’t they are in for some very rude shocks.
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Orginally posted by Mishtar India
There are some very valuable tips in GiG's post which many can benefit from. I think you might agree that focussing on summary of tips given by him would be more beneficial.
What tips?? You call eloquence and flowery language as “tips”??
Do I need to mention that there are hundreds of books and thousands of articles that have been written on your so called “tips”!!
“Sell yourself”, “Know your USP”, “Make job specific resumes”, “Dress appropriately”, “Cold call” – these are tips? Yes of course!! But my point is WHAT IS NEW??? What I am crying hoarse is that each and every immigrant is ALREADY aware of ALL these “tips” and DOES apply them to the best of his ability!! These “tips”, and many more, are ALREADY available all over the place and can just as easily be accessed at the click of a mouse button. The point is that DESPITE these “tips” having being done to death, that DESPITE having been used by immigrants to the BEST OF THEIR ABILITY, that DESPITE all the pep-talk and suggestions, success continues to elude a very large number of immigrants!! Am I coming across?? You show me ten guys who applied these “tips” and achieved success in landing good jobs. Right? I will show you ten times that number who have applied these very “tips” just as well, and have still not succeeded. Does that get us anywhere? No!
I have never tried to say that anyone and everyone who comes to Canada is doomed, and certain to fail. I am neither negative nor positive. I only want to be REALISTIC, and the REALITY is that for immigrants in general, the chances of success are not favourable,(please note my use of the word - I say not "favourable" not "impossible" ) and this reality is established by hard facts and figures. Hyperbole and rhetoric CANNOT change facts. I am taking the liberty of quoting from one of my posts long ago:
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Since every individual is different, and there is no common yardstick that can be applied to all, it is essential that all potential immigrants judge prospects for their future on their own merit, develop and use deductive logic most suitable for themselves, conduct their own research, talk to others and learn from experiences if they have to but ensuring that it is done at a personal level, use rationale and intellect, and not be misled by individual stories of EITHER success or failures!
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Orginally posted by Mishtar India
is it really worth the effort to demolish other's personal stories as boloney without knowing all the facts.
It was because there WERE no facts that I called it baloney!!
I still consider the story to be untrue. How many members do we have on this board? Over 10,000, right? I don’t know, but I presume this board has been around for a few years now, right? Several members here have been in Canada for many years now, right?? These members have many friends, right? Now I ask you – Has ANYONE ever known any immigrant(not work permit walas) coming from India who within TWO weeks of landing,
-got multiple senior level job offers in SALES, so many that he had a difficult time choosing from them
-offers that he turned down
-offers where after having the offer turned down by the applicant, the EMPLOYER called back asking the applicant’s demand
-he got walk-in interviews for senior level positions
And if NO ONE has EVER met or known anyone like this, what does that mean? Either the story IS baloney, or we are witnessing a miracle!! And since I don’t tend to believe in miracles, I will go for the former, until at least the miracle is established to have really happened. Anything wrong with that??
Important note:
USP in job hunting and in context of “selling yourself” is an abbreviation for “Unique Selling Point” and does NOT stand for “Unique Sales Proposition”.
I will leave you to draw your conclusions!!
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Guys, Some people are apparently starved for attention and I think we have humored them long enough.
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To me personally, if a person is not there to identify the success with, is merely a text book story. It is like reading a management book or books like Interview skills for dummies, 100 best resumes, from shoestring to a millionaire, or some kind of fairy tale.
Besides, the purpose of this section is that such successful persons not only relate their stories but also contribute by helping other members by providing practical advice, be approachable and may be even meet one on one to help a person and consider it as their contribution to the society - a moral duty each human being is bound to. Like what GiG could do is show us his resume - it could help a person like me a lot who claims to have perhaps made the worst resumes in the world, that even with 4 dozen or more varieties, I am not able to get a single interview call. (and I too come from the premier accounting schools in India with an experience of working in the accounts/finance dept of a company voted as one of the 10 best financially managed companies in Indonesia for last so many years now!)
While I am not doubting his success - I know persons who came here and got great jobs within a week - without travelling in buses and trains, but in a hired car rather, his narration has to be more reader friendly. Only after 4 pages on this thread he has written 'a premier engineering institute' and 'a premier management school'. If he really wants to be of help and his post to be beneficial to the readers, he ought to be more open about things. When I as a once successful person having failed miserably in Canada am not shy of sharing my story and identity, why GiG, an instant success, wants to keep everything hidden - something he should be proud of, or if not that, atleast, not be ashamed of.
And if you carefully read his first post, no where does it mention what kind of job he was offered and was it within his profession (infact, it is not even mentioned whether he is a professional or a simple educated person). If that was to be considered success, I could claim myself to be successful too - because when I came here, I was able to meet face to face with some big names in recruiting agencies by just walking in and presenting myself in a very professional manner - and yes I got three offers in two days - paying a maximum of $15 an hour, and in field of accounting. And that was without having spent hours and hours on internet (simply because I could not use it for more than 1 hr in a day due to local IP problems), or without networking, or without spending much time in gathering more and more information about Canada, since I had made six international moves before that!! However, to me, it is not success. And if this is what this GiG has got, in my view it is nothing great.
Once again let me point - I am neither doubting his success, nor his credentials, and am definitely not pounding on his story as something not to be believed or heard by anyone. All I am trying to say is that he ought to give more details, somethings that readers can identify with, and most of all, be willing to help others in whatever manner he can, because afterall the purpose of this site is not leisure reading but to help desis.
Chandresh
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