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Posted on: 03-10-05 16:01:47
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Orginally posted by Anti_DESI
Let me address a few of these comments in one post. I said those in Canada who have ADVERSE reactions to dating outside of ones race should find somewhere else to live. It's in plain English. I refer to people who have an issue with interracial dating. Unfortunately the Indian community in Canada IS ethno-centric, and it can be VERY backwards and closed minded. This type of ethno-centricity and cultural closed mindedness fuels racism from other groups in Canada - and it's a damn shame more of you aren't intelligent or cultured enough to see it. Don't move to North America if you don't want to integrate or associate with other groups - point and form.
I have never dated a "desi" because I simply haven't met that many - NOT because I have anything against desi girls. I don't give a damn where someone is from. I don't go out of my way to date one group - or NOT date another. For those of you who only feel comfortable dating "your kind" - well, that's your prerogative - but it's rather pathetic, I feel sorry for you, and no - I don' consider you Canadian.
As for why I decided to exchange ideas in a desi forum? Mainly to see if anyone can change my mind - and convince me that ethno-centricity is actually a positive feat. I'm open minded. I enjoy exchange of ideas - and I'm willing to discuss differing opinions. I fit the definition of a "desi" - so it's very appropriate that I'm discussing these issues. These are politically charged issues that effect East Indians in Canada. Also, I didn’t start the interracial marriage thread - I merely responded in it.
As for why I "left" Canada? I didn't. I'm 4th generation Canadian - my family arrived in Canada between 1907 and 1913. I work for a multi-national European based organization and I live between New York (where I am currently) and Montreal. So while I am living in New York now, I also still live in Canada; I have offices and directorships in the US and Canada. I also love both the United States and Canada - yet I have absolutely no affinity for India. I've never been there and I hold no ties to it.
My family is very mixed blooded - we have people of all sorts of races and religions in the family. My great-grandfather fought vicious racism when he came here at the turn of the century - and my grandfather and great-uncles fought even more as some of the first East Indians to graduate American and Canadian universities during the 1920s.
So yes, I do take offense to people coming to Canada and having the audacity to still maintain that one should date "within their race" or maintain a certain level of Indian friends, etc.....
MANY of you have allot to learn about Canada and what it is to be Canadian. I stand against ethnocentricity and bigotry in all communities and share the same opinions towards all ethnic groups. It's one thing to belong to a certain ethnicity as a first generation immigrant - it's quite another to promote ethnic bias amongst generations born Canadian. You're the first to complain when whites are told not to associate with with Indians - yet you defend those call themselves "jatts" and other bizarre references to a now illegal caste system in India, and those who still question interracial relationships and complete integration into North American life. It's no more ok for a white father to tell his son to avoid dating a non-white - then it is to discourage someone of Indian ancestry from dating a black, korean, white, hispanic, etc.
FYI: I named the diverse types of people I have had RELATIONSHIPS with. The fact that some of you in here equate a serious relationship to a "sexual exploit" just because these people were of different origins shows how culturaly bigoted you truly are.
Hypocrisy without limits; Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.
Typical canadian born confused desi.
Dude I dont think yahan pe log tumhe samaj payenge.......spend your energy on something else.
I think you are mixing the punjabi culture you have been in and the indian culture........they are similar but not the same. so shut the "damn" up.
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On a side note if anybody finds my comments or posts offensive or irritating please ignore it and if that still bothers you; please write to me and I will demonstrate.
Hey I think people are being more than a little close minded about Anti Desis' comments!
First of all he's entitled to his opinion.
Second of all he makes some very logical well thought out points.
I haven't heard anyone here make a good rebuttal yet.
waiting ...
If you don't like what he's saying come up with some arguments and statements that make sense.
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Orginally posted by Anti_DESI
Let me address a few of these comments in one post. I said those in Canada who have ADVERSE reactions to dating outside of ones race should find somewhere else to live.
Nope, they are free to have their outlook and choice.
They are free and most welcome to stay here or anywhere.
You have done the right thing by leaving Canada.
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I don't go out of my way to date one group - or NOT date another.
So why would anybody else?
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For those of you who only feel comfortable dating "your kind" - well, that's your prerogative - but it's rather pathetic, I feel sorry for you, and no - I don' consider you Canadian.
It seems you are presenting this as a some sort of a "trophy".
I think you are pathetic. I dotn feel sorry for you at all.
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As for why I decided to exchange ideas in a desi forum? Mainly to see if anyone can change my mind - and convince me that ethno-centricity is actually a positive feat. I'm open minded. I enjoy exchange of ideas - and I'm willing to discuss differing opinions. I fit the definition of a "desi" - so it's very appropriate that I'm discussing these issues. These are politically charged issues that effect East Indians in Canada. Also, I didn’t start the interracial marriage thread - I merely responded in it.
Please stay!!!!
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MANY of you have allot to learn about Canada and what it is to be Canadian.
What is that?
To tell people "go the hell back to where-ever it is ya come from..."?
I see your sidekick "cyberdesi" is here to help you out.
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Orginally posted by Azazf
so shut the "damn" up.
short , but succint.
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I once made a mistake, but I was wrong about it.
I am new to Canada - so you can take this as a purely Indian opinion :-)
It really doesn't matter if you marry outside your race/religion if you are mentally ok with it. Logically, most Indians (but not all) who've moved to Canada, USA after they turned 20 or so would find it a little tough adjusting to a foreign spouse - but Indians who are born here (Indians as in Indian-by-origin) shouldn't find it odd to have a Caucasian Canadian or Chinese spouse.
dating foreign spouse is fun..when it comes to marriage i have seen tons of guys going for the same as their ethnicity ...4th gen canadian my foot
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Ashish
Quote:I think the reason you are receiving such a reaction to your messages is because you arrive on a discussion forum that is primarily South-Asian-centric and start telling people that because they don't date with members of other communities, they are not real Canadians (whatever that means in your book), and they they ought to go back to where they came from (all the time being out of Canada yourself).
Orginally posted by Anti_DESI
Let me address a few of these comments in one post.
What kind of acceptance to your messages did you expect?
I am not saying that you said the above things in these many words - but from your message it seems implied.
Please spend some time on this group before passing an outright judgement on the general nature of people in this group.
And if you are going to classify everyone who doesn't agree to your views of who is and isn't a bigot and a hypocrite, be prepared for some backlash as well.
My $0.02 CAD.
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Forget about 'anti desi', back to the main thread.
Yes I definitely would not have any problem if my son dates/marries to any girl who is black, white, brown, chinese, Japanese or anyone other race/culture, as long as he is sure that 'she is the one' & as long as he marries a 'GIRL'. (definitely this would be my concern..
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