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Posts: 39
Location: New York, but I'm Canadi
Posted on: 04-10-05 18:41:17
Location: New York, but I'm Canadi
Posted on: 04-10-05 18:41:17
Ooops - double posting
Posts: 39
Location: New York, but I'm Canadi
Posted on: 04-10-05 18:41:18
Location: New York, but I'm Canadi
Posted on: 04-10-05 18:41:18
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Orginally posted by BlueLobster
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Orginally posted by Anti_DESI
If anyone has an adverse reaction to that - they should honestly get the hell outa Canada...I've never dated someone of my "race" before. My last GF was Brunette from Vermont, before that it was an Italian-American girl from New Jersey - before that, a 3 year live in relationship with a blond haired, green-eyed bombshell from Germany - before that a girl from Colombia, before that two girls from Spain - before that, a friend of a friend from France, etc..... This is North America. If you want to stick to your own - go the hell back to where-ever it is ya come from... Just my two cents. Ethnocentricity is a form of social and cultural inferiority.
So going by this, if an Irish American guy wants to marry an Irish American girl only, would you go lecture him on how his thinking is inferior? Or if a Jewish guy wants to marry a Jewish girl, would you tell him to go wherever the hell he came from?
What about Italian Americans? If a fourth generation Italian American girl wants to marry an Italian only, would you go tell her that she's inferior and should go back to good ole' Italy?
Although I don't agree with racial bias and think its perfectly fine for someone to date someone from another race, I also respect people who don't agree with this. You can be white, brown, black, blue whatever, your relationship preferences are your own. Its ridiculous to go tell someone that they should get out of a country because they don't agree with your views. Why? Because this is North America and freedom of speech is a VERY North American trait. And it applies to all regardless of whether you're a descendent of someone who came aboard the mayflower OR if you just became a Canadian a month back.
That is not what I am saying at all. I don't know how many times I can say this. I don't care if a desi dates another desi. This thread isn't on same-race relationships - it's on interracial relationships. My annoyance comes from people who take issue with those who date out of their race. Bigotry and closed mindedness runs rampant in the South Asian community. I spent a year at a school in Surrey, British Columbia where the whites gathered on one side of the school - the Indians gathered on the other - and upon talking to the white students who I ended up befriending - I came to the conclusion that the Indians were the ones closing everyone else out. This has caused tons of racial tension in that region. Again, maybe one day I'll meet a desi girl I like, maybe not. I don't care if people date desis - my issue comes from people who refuse to date or accept someone else dating outside their race without looking down upon them - yet another thing that is quite common in the Indian community. Freedom of speech is a Canadian freedom - however, coming to Canada with the attitude that it's not ok to have interracial relationships or interact on a multicultural level is not ok, regardless of how someone wraps it. And yes, I, like any Canadian, have the right to tell them that we don' want their kind here (by "kind" I refer to racists and segregationists). I wouldn't ask to study abroad in say France if I only wanted to speak English, associate with anglo Canadians and be around "my kind" - nor would I immigrate to a country like Belgium or Spain if I was unwilling to become part of their society and think outside the box and integrate at all levels as a Belgiun or Spanish citizens - nor would I take offense if someone from Spain or Belgium told me they only wanted Canadian immigrants who were willing to be part of their society and adapt to their culture.
For the record, I woudn't have an issue with an Italian American or Irish American who decided to date another Irish or Italian American - I would take issue with an Irish American, Italian American or new immigrant from Europe who refused, thought it wrong - or even discussting to date or interact with an indian, or anyone other then someone of their own group. There are many of those types out there as well, and I tell them the same thing I am telling people here.
Biography of Antidesi : I'm 4th generation Canadian of Indian Ancestry. Most of my friends are European, North American, South American, and come from all sorts of other diverse places. I speak Spanish, French, English and have the basics in a few other languages. I love to ski and learn about new and interesting cultures. I'm open minded. I have friends from around the world, and I hate ethno-centricity, including those who are small minded and consider themselves \"Desis\". I think ethnocentricity divides us as a nation - it divides us as a planet - and I think it's the root of ethnic subjugation
Copied from 4th gen confused bio
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Did all of your friends kick you out thats why u r hanging in here?
You dont have any indian friends,u dont like desis, you dont like the culture ..why r u living in this world, Niagra is closeby , go take a dip
yeah u r pissed
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Ashish
Posts: 39
Location: New York, but I'm Canadi
Posted on: 04-10-05 19:35:57
Location: New York, but I'm Canadi
Posted on: 04-10-05 19:35:57
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Orginally posted by ashish30
Biography of Antidesi : I'm 4th generation Canadian of Indian Ancestry. Most of my friends are European, North American, South American, and come from all sorts of other diverse places. I speak Spanish, French, English and have the basics in a few other languages. I love to ski and learn about new and interesting cultures. I'm open minded. I have friends from around the world, and I hate ethno-centricity, including those who are small minded and consider themselves \"Desis\". I think ethnocentricity divides us as a nation - it divides us as a planet - and I think it's the root of ethnic subjugation
Copied from 4th gen confused bio
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Did all of your friends kick you out thats why u r hanging in here?
You dont have any indian friends,u dont like desis, you dont like the culture ..why r u living in this world, Niagra is closeby , go take a dip
yeah u r pissed
Still nothing intelligent to contribute? lmao - why doesn't that come as a shock. Here's a famous proverb that will no doubt go right over your head... "A la tierra que fueres, haz lo que vieres"
Don’t misconstrue what I am saying. I'm in accordance with that. If someone says they want to date someone from the same group - all the power to them. I am referring to a very general sub-culture seen in the Indian community. Now, if your kid or my kid decides they don't want to date someone specifically BECAUSE they are from another race - while it is their right - I will not support it - and society at large will not support it. Refusal to accept ignorance or close mindedness is not close minded. My issue is that many in the Indian community wont accept their child dating someone of another race. Many raise their children to only date within their race - and this is fundamentally wrong. My comments were general and responded to a number of posts at once (which is why I didn't quote you or anyone specifically). I am referring to people who specifically take issue with the concept of dating out of ones race - not people who just decide they don't want to because they may not be attracted to Chinese girls, Black girls, white girls, etc. I take issue with the "white devil; black devil, etc." complex that runs rampant in the Indian community. Obviously you seem progressive - but you are not the community at large - and sadly enough - this negative "white devil" sub-culture does exist.
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Orginally posted by Anti_DESI
That is not what I am saying at all. I don't know how many times I can say this.
Thanks for the clarification...your first post however hardly says anything like your clarification above.
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Freedom of speech is a Canadian freedom - however, coming to Canada with the attitude that it's not ok to have interracial relationships or interact on a multicultural level is not ok, regardless of how someone wraps it.
Its not ok in your OPINION, you may want to brush up on the charter to find out the legal angle on this. Last time I checked, its still legally "ok" for something to think that dating outside of their race is not good.
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And yes, I, like any Canadian, have the right to tell them that we don' want their kind here (by "kind" I refer to racists and segregationists).
I see. How about if you find a Canadian/American who thinks this way and he is 4th generation? Do you have the right to tell him/her that you don't want their kind in your country (Remember, its their country too...)? Do you think that there aren't any Canadians/Americans who think this way? I can show you plenty.
Again, don't get me wrong. I'm with you in opposing bigotry. Your portrayal however of bigotry in this context is extreme to say the least, and I don't agree with your hard line on people who don't concur with your opinion. You're not thinking with the same open mind here that you've advocating.
Isn't that ironic? Don't you think?
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Orginally posted by BlueLobster
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Orginally posted by Anti_DESI
If anyone has an adverse reaction to that - they should honestly get the hell outa Canada...I've never dated someone of my \\\"race\\\" before. My last GF was Brunette from Vermont, before that it was an Italian-American girl from New Jersey - before that, a 3 year live in relationship with a blond haired, green-eyed bombshell from Germany - before that a girl from Colombia, before that two girls from Spain - before that, a friend of a friend from France, etc..... This is North America. If you want to stick to your own - go the hell back to where-ever it is ya come from... Just my two cents. Ethnocentricity is a form of social and cultural inferiority.
So going by this, if an Irish American guy wants to marry an Irish American girl only, would you go lecture him on how his thinking is inferior? Or if a Jewish guy wants to marry a Jewish girl, would you tell him to go wherever the hell he came from?
What about Italian Americans? If a fourth generation Italian American girl wants to marry an Italian only, would you go tell her that she's inferior and should go back to good ole' Italy?
Although I don't agree with racial bias and think its perfectly fine for someone to date someone from another race, I also respect people who don't agree with this. You can be white, brown, black, blue whatever, your relationship preferences are your own. Its ridiculous to go tell someone that they should get out of a country because they don't agree with your views. Why? Because this is North America and freedom of speech is a VERY North American trait. And it applies to all regardless of whether you're a descendent of someone who came aboard the mayflower OR if you just became a Canadian a month back.
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BL, you took the words right out of my mouth.
Anti_DESI, you seem to be making quite an effort to prove a point. As far as I can see, you have articulated your thoughts on the issue of \\\"Inter-racial marriages\\\" quite well.
While some of us on the forum may agree with part of/all of what you say, there might be an equal number who do not. A few questions :
1. Does ranting and raving on and on about the same points reinforce what has already been said ? As far as I can see, you have made your point/s (some really good ones).
2. Do we sense that you're venting all your frustration on the board members for some unpleasant experiences you may have had to go through in being associated with the South Asian community.
3. From your posts we do realise that your forefathers had to go through a lot for the betterment of the immigrant community. That's really great. But don't force home the point that all of us and our forthcoming generations should be indebted to you and your folks. Your own efforts reflect how sincere you must be to the cause. If this was genuinely for the betterment of the community, why this harsh attitude towards the \\\"fresh off the boat\\\" immigrants ? Do you hold them responsible for certain professional or social challenges that you're currently facing (obviously since you may look like one of them).
4. Would you really (as you responded to BL's post) really make an effort to change the thinking of non-South Asian communities (I mean, the 'bigots' in those communities.) Come on, bud, you think you'll be able to rant the way you're doing now. I DOUBT it.
5. You seem to have a lot of confidence in your command of the English language. Buddy, that's great. You really do have some reasonable skills iin articulating your thoughts. But don't you think you're going overboard with it by demeaning others by picking on typos and grammatical errors. Please don't take this personally. I'm just trying to put things in perspective. Just imagine your great-grandpa trying to post on this board when he has \\\"fresh off the boat\\\". I'm sure he would have ended up putting his points across in the same way that many of us do here.
You did indicate that you're 27 and you do have a lot to learn in life (just quoting your words - maybe not the same words but something to that effect). Its great that you do realise that you have a lot of growing up to do (Maturity is the word, just in case).
As an FYI, you should really explore the professional circles where there's a lot of acceptance to immigrants, the skills and the diversity that they bring along with them. You're too young to have moved around a lot or you may havehad some really bitter experiences (refer, the Surrey BC school experience as an example) that have shaped your thoughts.
Hope I haven't made this a personal attack (definitely not intended).
Its just that I happened to follow this thread right from the begining. As it progressed, I couldn't help but notice the lack of maturity with which you went about taking on everybody who do not agree with your views.On a closing note, just to ensure that I do not deviate from the orinal thread itself, I wouldn't have any problems with my kids dating/getting married outside the desi circles.
Plllllllllllllllsssssssss don't get back to me with your usual line of \\\"mild retardation\\\",\\\"lack of comprehension skills\\\". As you probably see, some of us folks here can give you back a bit of your \\\"verbal diarrhea\\\" albeit in a more civilized manner.
My 2 cents....
Regards,
A concerned \\\"fresh off the boat\\\" bigot (only 4 years here and loving every moment - no 4th generation lineages in Canada to boot).
Anti Desi actually does confront white Americans and white Canadians in the same way. He's a little obnoxious but as I've said before makes some serious points. He's against racism of all kinds whether the origins are from whites, indians, blacks, asians, etc. I can attest to this because I've seen it.
If you can believe it he's actually worse when confronting white racists in that he shows them absolutely no respect or mercy. While it may not seem that way to the people here because you don't know him, he's shown a great deal of restraint and argued his points logically. He just has an unfortunate problem with resisting the impulse to make sarcastic comments.
He's saying that all racists should leave Canada, they don't reflect the Canadian way.
He's NOT saying that everyone who disagrees with him should leave Canada.
In order to pick up on this you really have to read the posts and ignore the sarcasm.
I've found this entire debate on all sides (ignoring the posts that just made snide comments and didn't actually contribute to the debate) quite interesting.
Several people here who disagreed with Anti Desi had enlightening comments to make.
I hope that vein of the posting continues because I'm learning a lot about the topic.
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Orginally posted by Jai_bharat
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Orginally posted by BlueLobster
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Orginally posted by Anti_DESI
If anyone has an adverse reaction to that - they should honestly get the hell outa Canada...I've never dated someone of my \\\"race\\\" before. My last GF was Brunette from Vermont, before that it was an Italian-American girl from New Jersey - before that, a 3 year live in relationship with a blond haired, green-eyed bombshell from Germany - before that a girl from Colombia, before that two girls from Spain - before that, a friend of a friend from France, etc..... This is North America. If you want to stick to your own - go the hell back to where-ever it is ya come from... Just my two cents. Ethnocentricity is a form of social and cultural inferiority.
So going by this, if an Irish American guy wants to marry an Irish American girl only, would you go lecture him on how his thinking is inferior? Or if a Jewish guy wants to marry a Jewish girl, would you tell him to go wherever the hell he came from?
What about Italian Americans? If a fourth generation Italian American girl wants to marry an Italian only, would you go tell her that she's inferior and should go back to good ole' Italy?
Although I don't agree with racial bias and think its perfectly fine for someone to date someone from another race, I also respect people who don't agree with this. You can be white, brown, black, blue whatever, your relationship preferences are your own. Its ridiculous to go tell someone that they should get out of a country because they don't agree with your views. Why? Because this is North America and freedom of speech is a VERY North American trait. And it applies to all regardless of whether you're a descendent of someone who came aboard the mayflower OR if you just became a Canadian a month back.
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BL, you took the words right out of my mouth.
Anti_DESI, you seem to be making quite an effort to prove a point. As far as I can see, you have articulated your thoughts on the issue of \\\"Inter-racial marriages\\\" quite well.
While some of us on the forum may agree with part of/all of what you say, there might be an equal number who do not. A few questions :
1. Does ranting and raving on and on about the same points reinforce what has already been said ? As far as I can see, you have made your point/s (some really good ones).
2. Do we sense that you're venting all your frustration on the board members for some unpleasant experiences you may have had to go through in being associated with the South Asian community.
3. From your posts we do realise that your forefathers had to go through a lot for the betterment of the immigrant community. That's really great. But don't force home the point that all of us and our forthcoming generations should be indebted to you and your folks. Your own efforts reflect how sincere you must be to the cause. If this was genuinely for the betterment of the community, why this harsh attitude towards the \\\"fresh off the boat\\\" immigrants ? Do you hold them responsible for certain professional or social challenges that you're currently facing (obviously since you may look like one of them).
4. Would you really (as you responded to BL's post) really make an effort to change the thinking of non-South Asian communities (I mean, the 'bigots' in those communities.) Come on, bud, you think you'll be able to rant the way you're doing now. I DOUBT it.
5. You seem to have a lot of confidence your command of the English language. Buddy, that's great. You really do have some reasonable skills iin articulating your thoughts. But don't you think you're going overboard with it by demeaning others by picking on typos and grammatical errors. Please don't take this personally. I'm just trying to put things in perspective. Just imagine your great-grandpa trying to post on this board when he has \\\"fresh off the boat\\\". I'm sure he would have ended up putting his points across in the same way that many of us do here.
You did indicate that you're 27 and you do have a lot to learn in life (just quoting your words - maybe not the same words but something to that effect). Its great that you do realise that you have a lot of growing up to do (Maturity is the word, just in case).
As an FYI, you should really explore the professional circles where there's a lot of acceptance to immigrants, the skills and the diversity that they bring along with them. You're too young to have moved around a lot or you may havehad some really bitter experiences (refer, the Surrey BC school experience as an example) that have shaped your thoughts.
Hope I haven't made this a personal attack (definitely not intended).
On a closing note, just to ensure that I do not deviate from the post itself, I wouldn't have any problems with my kids dating/getting married outside the desi circles.
Plllllllllllllllsssssssss don't get back to me with your usual line of \\\"mild retardation\\\",\\\"lack of comprehension skills\\\". As you probably see, some of us folks here can give you back a bit of your \\\"verbal diarrhea\\\" albeit in a more civilized manner.
My 2 cents....
Regards,
A concerned \\\"fresh off the boat\\\" bigot (only 4 years here and loving every moment - no 4th generation lineages in Canada to boot).
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