jake3d   
Member since: Sep 03
Posts: 2962
Location: Montreal

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 05-10-05 10:56:35

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Orginally posted by smartguy

Dame!



you calling me a dame? :p


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BlueLobster   
Member since: Oct 02
Posts: 3409
Location: Mississauga

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 05-10-05 11:05:08

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Orginally posted by cyberdesi

1. Why don't you speak Punjabi, Hindi, you're Indian?
2. Why don't you dress in traditional clothes?
3. Why don't you eat curry?
4. Why are you dating these Gori/Gora? You should find a nice Indian boy/girl and get married.

Well, some of us don't speak Punjabi, Hindi, because our parents didn't teach us, because they felt there was no point. Since we live in Canada, there hasn't been any need to speak it except when we try to integrate into our own community where we're rejected because we don't speak the language, and where people will deliberately not speak English (even though they can) and ensure that we feel insulted and further isolated.

We don't wear traditional clothes because we're not used to them, not comfortable in them, often don't know HOW to wear them (saris) and this climate is not the best place to wear that type of clothing except perhaps in the summer time.

We eat curry when we go to a place where the person actually knows how to cook it! We don't, and when we do it usually turns out gross. No, most of us will not eat green raw chilis because we're not used to them.




Good points. And I can understand the frustration of dealing with these. There's no easy fix for them though, I think they will only go away with time. I have a couple of second-gen immigrant friends and cousin who've learned to deal with this quite well.

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We are Indians! We are Canadians! We accept the best of both worlds and reject the worst of both worlds. AND WE ARE DAMN PROUD OF BEING BOTH!!



Amen!


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smartguy   
Member since: Aug 03
Posts: 446
Location: CaNaDa

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 05-10-05 11:15:33

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We are Indians! We are Canadians! We accept the best of both worlds and reject the worst of both worlds. AND WE ARE DAMN PROUD OF BEING BOTH!!



Amen!




:cheers:


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Azazf   
Member since: Oct 04
Posts: 508
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 05-10-05 11:33:33

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Orginally posted by jake3d
"The wise occupy themselves with doubts, fools run with certanities."
- paraphrased from a quote(Bertrand Russell)


You are a twisted guy.
The answer to a question is not a question? and when I ask you for time you dont have tell me the year with the date!!(Thats what you did with me giving the definition for prejudice and you coming up with the proverb....please englighten me with the connection) You percieve things in a very different way from what I write.........so why dont you do me a favour and not comment on my post (reason being you dont understand what I am getting at and then you feed me your words)

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you admitted to being against interracial marriages

I said I am not comfortable and one of us needs english lessons.

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Then made comments on what your opinion was on that westerners do with elderly parents

An apartment I have lived in the past had atleast 25-30 seniors (couples)...They said once a year is all they get to see their grandkids if they are lucky. So it is not my opinion........I call that reality. And these are people who can barely walk and stand up and stink from the smell of their own urine and waste. My heart cries out for them.........but you can go on defending the point you are making this does not happen and oh if it does the % is very very small and who says this does not happen in other parts of the world right, and also the classic i know a lot of seniors myself and they are all well cared for their family.

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added a strong flavor of homophobia added to your comments



I read my post about 20 times and I still dont see where the socalled homophobia of mine lies. A simple statement it was and you with your ingenuity are twisting it.



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jake3d   
Member since: Sep 03
Posts: 2962
Location: Montreal

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 05-10-05 11:42:42

Quote:
Orginally posted by Azazf


You are a twisted guy.


probably

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The answer to a question is not a question? and when I ask you for time you dont have tell me the year with the date!!(Thats what you did with me giving the definition for prejudice and you coming up with the proverb....please englighten me with the connection)


you said that you are not prejudiced...you were certain of it. Thus my quote. Hope the mystery is unravelled.

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I said I am not comfortable and one of us needs english lessons.


why are you not comfortable? Prejudice or some certanity/knowledge?


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An apartment I have lived in the past had atleast 25-30 seniors (couples)...They said once a year is all they get to see their grandkids if they are lucky. So it is not my opinion........I call that reality. And these are people who can barely walk and stand up and stink from the smell of their own urine and waste. My heart cries out for them.........but you can go on defending the point you are making this does not happen and oh if it does the % is very very small and who says this does not happen in other parts of the world right, and also the classic i know a lot of seniors myself and they are all well cared for their family.


It is your 'reality' and you have a right to it. If you think desis in India do no such thing...thats your 'reality' too.
My reality is quite different and thus my perception of a prejudice. All your justifications do not explain your comments about escorts and club dancing, etc. Is it 'reality'? Or does it fit into your definition of Prejudice?
Maybe you did see the kids of all those 25 old people, dancing with escorts in the club. Do they do it everyday? Let us know how you have been keeping track, since you are obviously not prejudiced and deal only with reality. Did you actually follow them?

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I read my post about 20 times and I still dont see where the socalled homophobia of mine lies. A simple statement it was and you with your ingenuity are twisting it.



I also mentioned in that same sentence...that I may have perceived it wrongly. You missed that in the 20 times you read it? ;) . Yes, I take that back...i guess that was my prejudice.


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cyberdesi   
Member since: Sep 05
Posts: 24
Location: brampton

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 05-10-05 12:05:18

Azazf, you are pretty much reflecting everything that we have been talking about here. What makes you think that Canadians don't look after their parents? Because you've seen one place where the parents are alone?

Well, I've seen many cases where the parents are well looked after by their Canadian children and many situations where Indian parents are abused, their pensions are taken away leaving them with nothing!

My mother-in-law suffered a serious stroke and can only move her right hand, all of her children, including my ex have abandoned to her to a seniors home where my sister in law visits her once a week for a couple of hours.

The rest of the time she sits, the nurses dress her in canadian clothes, and make her watch english tv. She doesn't speak a word of English.

Is this the wonderful way that our community looks after its' elderly? There are many cases like this not just one.

My point is that there are Canadians and Indians who refuse to take responsibility and when they do it's because they have their own agenda to take advantage of the elderly.

And there are Canadians and Indians who do look after the elderly responsibly and with the love, respect and attention they deserve.

Please stop making racist assumptions about people.



cyberdesi   
Member since: Sep 05
Posts: 24
Location: brampton

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 05-10-05 12:15:43

Dating is a Canadian tradition, and for those of you who don't know. The purpose of dating is to take the time to get to know someone and make a mutual decision on whether you are compatible or not and whether this is the person that you want to make a commitment to. It has nothing to do with escorts. Going to clubs and dancing is just a form of entertainment here and escorts don't frequent any of the clubs I go to.

Everything in this world requires moderation and common sense whether you are following Indian or Canadian traditions or both!




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