I'm not thinking with an open mind because I oppose those against interracial relationships? LOL What kinda logic is that? If a white made the exact arguments many of you are making and called it right to "ethnic or racial pride" - people would be screaming the race card and they'd be lumped in with members of the Ku Klux Klan and villainized as racists. Coincidentally, the Ku Klux Klan doesn't claim to be anti- immigrant or anti non white - they just claim to be "pro white” and "pro white only society/culture". Many of your views are just as absurd as theirs. It’s not a question of disagreeing with me. You are defending a belief that as a mainstream society we find disgusting and deplorable. It's not that a few white Canadians or a few immigrants with different origins may not have these opinions - but as a society we reject them. It’s not my personal opinion – it’s a mainstream opinion. The fact that many of you (including 2nd generation Canadians) don’t realize that – shows how little you know about North American society. As I said - whether 1st Generation, 4th generation - or a White American - I think that attitude is racist and it's not accepted in mainstream society. If some of you take issue with that - as I stated before, perhaps this isn't the society for you. We are a society of inclusion. People of all races and backgrounds have fought racial segregation and ethnic subjugation for generations. You people are guilty of a little something we call “reverse discrimination”. Being a minority of color doesn’t give you carte blanche to be bigots. Justifying the right to refuse to accept interracial marriage is basically asking us as a society to accept your right to reverse discrimination. We still struggle with spats of homegrown discrimination here in North America – and no one, Canadian or American, is interested in allowing people to import their prejudices from abroad as immigrants. Go to any mainstream message forum – share some of your views – and you’ll get the same type of response I am giving you x100 by Canadians and Americans of all races and origins. Why would you feel as though you have a right to come to a country where you have no intention of conforming to mainstream culture? Again, no one is saying you can’t date other Indians. I am merely saying that if you are against the prospect of dating outside your race – or if you think I’m wrong to date out of my race – you have no business here, as most North Americans WOULD agree.

FYI: Firstly, the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, unlike the US Constitution has no "legal" authority. As anyone who has studied constitutional law in Canada knows - the Charter of Rights cannot is not legally binding. The US Constitution is Law, the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms is not. Secondly, using the Charter of Rights as a means of justifying your right to ethnic bias or to segregate yourselves is a dangerous game - especially once closet bigots in the white community decide to turn the tables on new immigrants like many of you. The Charter of Rights offers freedom of speech and expression - not freedom to discriminate and segregate. The physical encouragement of bias or segregation, i.e. parents not allowing their children to date Canadians of other races is actually blatantly contradictory to the Charter. The Charter gives you the right to an opinion, not the right to act on it in his case.The Charter was also not meant to defend then rights of foreigners who deem it their prerogative to be bigots, i.e. Ernst Zundell who is being deported to Europe due to his encouragement of racist and his activity with neo-Nazi organizations in Canada.

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I'm not thinking with an open mind because I oppose those against interracial relationships? LOL What kinda logic is that? If a white made the exact arguments many of you are making and called it right to "ethnic or racial pride" - people would be screaming the race card and they'd be lumped in with members of the Ku Klux Klan and villainized as racists. Coincidentally, the Ku Klux Klan doesn't claim to be anti- immigrant or anti non white - they just claim to be "pro white” and "pro white only society/culture". Many of your views are just as absurd as theirs.

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I think that attitude is racist and it's not accepted in mainstream society. If some of you take issue with that - as I stated before, perhaps this isn't the society for you

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We are a society of inclusion. People of all races and backgrounds have fought racial segregation and ethnic subjugation for generations. You people are guilty of a little something we call “reverse discrimination”. Being a minority of color doesn’t give you carte blanche to be bigots

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FYI: Firstly, the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, unlike the US Constitution has no "legal" authority. As anyone who has studied constitutional law in Canada knows - the Charter of Rights cannot is not legally binding. The US Constitution is Law, the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms is not. Secondly, using the Charter of Rights as a means of justifying your right to ethnic bias or to segregate yourselves is a dangerous game - especially once closet bigots in the white community decide to turn the tables on new immigrants like many of you. The Charter of Rights offers freedom of speech and expression - not freedom to discriminate and segregate. The physical encouragement of bias or segregation, i.e. parents not allowing their children to date Canadians of other races is actually blatantly contradictory to the Charter. The Charter gives you the right to an opinion, not the right to act on it in his case.The Charter was also not meant to defend then rights of foreigners who deem it their prerogative to be bigots, i.e. Ernst Zundell who is being deported to Europe due to his encouragement of racist and his activity with neo-Nazi organizations in Canada.

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Fundamental Freedoms

Fundamental freedoms 2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:
a) freedom of conscience and religion;
b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;
c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and
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I have to say, reading through the posts today, I am saddened by the amount of reactionism I see here. Instead of understanding anti-desi's overall point, people are picking on one or two lines, twisting it and then making non-sensical rebuttals.

Sadly, anti-desi has used some fallacious arguments too.

It's a shame because this discussion is important, but it's degraded into nothing.

PS: to the person who mentioned that some people simply come here for the money... why would someone come to a country they hold such contempt for, and yet feel so perfectly comfortable reaping the benefits that the hated culture has provided for many of us? A little hypocritical, no?

moderator: Presumably your kid would not have a problem with other people choosing interracial marriage. Anti-desi's original post was directed at those who are 'adverse to the idea of interracial marriage', or those who hold contempt for the idea. Therefore, his initial post does not apply to people in the situation you described, who might choose to marry someone whose ideals, religion and values are similar to his own (and thus is probably of the same race).

Also, there are inherent limitations to freedom of speech. You can't yell fire in a crowded theatre and you can't make remarks that incite hatred or violence against a particular group of people.

Regardless, this has nothing to do with the topic at hand. The question isn't whether it's legal to feel that interracial marriage is an abomination, but whether people who do feel that way are 'in the wrong', for lack of a better sentence (it's way to late to think to straight). It's an ethical, social debate, not a legal one.



"Hang on! First of all, let me repeat my stance on this. I have NO issues if my kid dates someone from another race. Its their life and they get to decide what makes them happy. BUT (and you're missing this VERY important point), if my kid comes to me and says "Dad, I would ONLY like to date people from my race because I think its the right thing for me", I'm NOT going to say "Hey, get the hell outta this country, this society isn't for you." I'll still say "Hey kid, its your life and you gotta do what makes you happy."

Does this make sense? That's where the lack of an "open mind" comment came from."

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FYI: Firstly, the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, unlike the US Constitution has no "legal" authority. As anyone who has studied constitutional law in Canada knows - the Charter of Rights cannot is not legally binding. The US Constitution is Law, the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms is not. Secondly, using the Charter of Rights as a means of justifying your right to ethnic bias or to segregate yourselves is a dangerous game - especially once closet bigots in the white community decide to turn the tables on new immigrants like many of you. The Charter of Rights offers freedom of speech and expression - not freedom to discriminate and segregate. The physical encouragement of bias or segregation, i.e. parents not allowing their children to date Canadians of other races is actually blatantly contradictory to the Charter. The Charter gives you the right to an opinion, not the right to act on it in his case.The Charter was also not meant to defend then rights of foreigners who deem it their prerogative to be bigots, i.e. Ernst Zundell who is being deported to Europe due to his encouragement of racist and his activity with neo-Nazi organizations in Canada.

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Read my previous post a few times this time to get what I'm talking about...

And FYI, here's fundamental freedoms from the charter...

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I think brat nailed the point quite nicely. Scroll up. I don' think anything else needs to be said.