I find it odd that many in this forum are making comments that are more bigoted than what anti-desi is supposedly guilty of.

You know what Canada isn't? The land of bigots and homophobes. There is evidence of both types of individuals on this forum, and this is precisely anti-desi's point: close minded bigots can get out if they can't accept other cultures within multicultural Canada, whether said bigots belong to a minority group or majority group.

Those who look down upon interracial marriage because they can not stand to have their child marry a "gora" can lump themselves
in with KKKen who refuses to let his white daughter marry a \\\\\\\"nigger\\\\\\\".
I don't think anyone in this forum would reject the idea that
Aryan Nations and the KKK have no place in multicultural Canada, so why is it so odd when anti-desi says the same thing about the percentage of bigoted East Indians that live here?


Beyond that, I just have a few things to say:

ashish30: learn how to spell. You're performing
a great disservice to your ethnic group when u rite lik an ignurant
fewl. There were people who had to fight like mad in order to be taken
seriously in this country, to achieve things that you take for granted,
and you turn around and dumb yourself down? Simply shameful.

Second of all, to even use the term gora reflects the bigotry
inherent in your very own personal upbringing. Gora is not a happy term
used to describe white people... it's a derogatory term applied
to both white people and north americanized east indians, and in
and of itself reflects the disdain that *some* of the East Indian community have towards those who accept the North American culture.
Use of such terminology only reinforces anti-desi's point that those who honestly hate Canada and hate the North American lifestyle really have no reason to stay here -- if you have such disdain for the culture here, then why on earth would you stay?
These are the same element of people who disown their children for marrying outside their race (it happens).


I also think that many of you are taking his point out of context. Let me summarize this in plain language, as it seems to be going over your heads:

1) He doesn't say there's anything wrong with dating within one's ethnic group. He says there's something wrong with people who are vehemently
opposed to dating outside one's ethnic group.

2) He hasn't made the choice to not date desi girls because of some sort
of self-hatred, but rather, the way I understand it, he is not even thinking
about the race of potential girlfriends.

NB: if you are open to interracial marriage, whether or not you chose to do it yourself, then he is not referring to you. If you can accept other people's decisions to do so, then he is not referring to you.


I admit that I know anti-desi and I acknowledge that he has a big
mouth, but I agree with his overall point: bigots don't have any place in Canada
and should get the hell out if they don't like the way things are.

My first comment is that I'm not Anti Desi's "sidekick" and would prefer not to be demeaned simply because I stood up for his right to express his opinion.

Abusing someone for expressing himself and demeaning someone who defends that right is not the Indian way.

The Indian way is to have intelligent and thoughtful debate on these issues. Anti Desi, while I agree with Brat, can be a little obnoxious, he is raising some very serious questions that face the Indian community in regard to Inter racial relationships.

I'm not just talking about romantic relationships, but also work relationships, friendships, etc. Our community does in fact have a very insular attitude to those relationships, and because of that has isolated itself.

When I went to India, my relatives (and rightly so) expected that I would respect the cultural traditions in India. I did so out of respect for my relatives.

Canadians have the same right.

The only point that is being made here is that if people have decided to benefit from the Canadian experience re: money and jobs, then also respect the cultural Canadian experience.

There are those Indians who want to come here and make a lot of money, then trash the goras and the Indians that integrate.

I date (and no I'm not promiscuous) men of different nationalities including Desis. My problem with dating some Desi men (not all - most are very respectful and nice) is that they don't understand the Canadian dating scene and assume that women who date are tramps (a Desi stereotype of Goris).

I also know Anti Desi and understand where he's coming from.

Frankly he's made this forum the liveliest place on this site, and whether you agree with or not, you should at least give him credit for that

People like sticking with other people from the same race. That's why, wherever you go in the US or UK or Canada, you are going to find Chinese communities, Indian communities, Greek communities etc.

In fact, if you watch TV, there are movies and serials that are dominated by African-Americans. They've been living here for centuries and yet they try to stick together.

There are a minority who go out with people outside their race, but the majority whether they are white people, black people, Indians, Pakistanis, Chinese people kinda seem to want to stick to people from their own racial origins.

I am not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing - but I do believe that, that's not reason enough for someone to ask them to leave the country. That'd certainly not be the Canadian or the American way :-)

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NB: if you are open to interracial marriage, whether or not you chose to do it yourself, then he is not referring to you. If you can accept other people's decisions to do so, then he is not referring to you.


I admit that I know anti-desi and I acknowledge that he has a big
mouth, but I agree with his overall point: bigots don't have any place in Canada
and should get the hell out if they don't like the way things are.

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I am not for the slightest moment suggesting any of you should shut up. This forum does need your input. Welcome.

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People like sticking with other people from the same race. That's why, wherever you go in the US or UK or Canada, you are going to find Chinese communities, Indian communities, Greek communities etc.

In fact, if you watch TV, there are movies and serials that are dominated by African-Americans. They've been living here for centuries and yet they try to stick together.

There are a minority who go out with people outside their race, but the majority whether they are white people, black people, Indians, Pakistanis, Chinese people kinda seem to want to stick to people from their own racial origins.

I am not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing - but I do believe that, that's not reason enough for someone to ask them to leave the country. That'd certainly not be the Canadian or the American way :-)

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In my opinion maybe those who come to North America need to explore their reasons for coming if they're not willing to integrate with the society as a whole and have little or no respect for the cultural traditions here.

Is it just for the money and the "good" life? Perhaps, then acknowledge that North America and North Americans have some good qualities and don't impose their way of life on North Americans. This attitude does, in my opinion, a lot of damage to their children. No wonder so many Canadian born desis are confused.

As I mentioned in another forum here, it's the Indian parents (not all Indian parents) who refuse to allow their children to integrate that create confused children.

There is good and bad in Canadian culture as there is in Indian culture. Children should be allowed to discriminate, accept the good in both, and reject the bad in both.

To foster negative stereotypes about goras is racist and unacceptable in Canada as it is to foster negative stereotypes about desis.

I agree with Anti Desi, and Brat, that people who harbor such contempt should "go back to India".

Another point, to those who are implying that Anti Desi has a "complex", he's spoken several times about his Indian family with a huge amount of pride! And takes great pride in the accomplishments of his predecessors in both Canada and India!

That doesn't sound like a person who doesn't like himself because he's Indian to me.

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People like sticking with other people from the same race. That's why, wherever you go in the US or UK or Canada, you are going to find Chinese communities, Indian communities, Greek communities etc.

In fact, if you watch TV, there are movies and serials that are dominated by African-Americans. They've been living here for centuries and yet they try to stick together.

There are a minority who go out with people outside their race, but the majority whether they are white people, black people, Indians, Pakistanis, Chinese people kinda seem to want to stick to people from their own racial origins.

I am not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing - but I do believe that, that's not reason enough for someone to ask them to leave the country. That'd certainly not be the Canadian or the American way :-)

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Again, you misunderstand my point. I'm referring to those, for the 12th time, who TAKE ISSUE with people dating out of their race or community. I give no distinction to the race of the people I date. It makes no difference to me - and THAT is the Canadian and American way of life. My point is that if you choose who you associate with or date based simply on their race, class or ethnic originals - by my North American standards you ARE a racist, whether you admit it or not, whether it is common in the East Indian community or not - and you SHOULD leave. Don't bring your backwards racism to Canada - point and form. If you don't fit the above listed mold, then as others have said - this doesn't apply to you and you have nothing to worry about.

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NB: if you are open to interracial marriage, whether or not you chose to do it yourself, then he is not referring to you. If you can accept other people's decisions to do so, then he is not referring to you.


I admit that I know anti-desi and I acknowledge that he has a big
mouth, but I agree with his overall point: bigots don't have any place in Canada
and should get the hell out if they don't like the way things are.

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I've been here for 10 yrs so i'm new to this place unlike antidesi etc. As you can see in my first post...my thoughts find resonance with yours for the most part. What i may NOT agree with you is that they have to 'go back' because they think differently from you. Is that Canadian? I dont think so.
Folks give them a chance...maybe they or their kids will slowly integrate into 'mainstream' Canadian thinking...at their own time. As we all do.
Or maybe we will move over to their way of thinking, if that is indeed what is appropriate(though I personally dont think so).

I am not for the slightest moment suggesting any of you should shut up. This forum does need your input. Welcome.

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