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Posted on: 19-09-11 15:01:02
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Originally posted by DesiBabu70
better alignment and cooperation with the federal government, being led by the conservative party
This is probably the very and only reason I may not vote PC. If you don't look like Harper and his buddies then you are screwed federally and then on top of it provincially.
Quote:and what exactly have the liberals done for immigrants?
Originally posted by imwhoever
So you care more about indigenious and native people than immigrants? Conservative has not done anything encouraging on immigration front, may slowly phase out parent immigration on 10 year scale, being Federal ruler.
do you mean the new tax rebate they are giving for employing immigrants?
I already explained why that is totally useless.
in fact it is just another excuse to waste our tax money.
liberals are simply building vote banks by using immigrants.
they do not care one jot about immigrants.
if they did, they would have taken steps to make it easier for immigrants to get their education and work experience recognized.
and make it easier for immigrants to get highly coveted govt. jobs.
in fact they have done the exact opposite.
Quote:yeah, you are right. TH probably can't do much about the samsung contracts.
Originally posted by Desi # 1
I bet if Tim H can do this. Do you think Samsung will allow a change in government to harm their interest
regarding FIT, the existing contracts cannot be canceled but the insanity can be discontinued.
he may not succeed but this is not the main concern for me.
as long as he does not continue to wastage of tax money on inefficient green energy projects and fake green jobs we should be fine.
Quote:you mean screwed more than we already are under the tax grabbing liberal govt?
Originally posted by bhootnath
If you don't look like Harper and his buddies then you are screwed federally and then on top of it provincially.
and I don't see how not looking like Harper has helped you under a McGuinty liberal govt.
let me re-phrase what the real deal is:
unless you are a full time public sector worker with high salary, pension and benefits OR you are a unionized worker in a protected industry such as auto, you are screwed under a McGuinty led government.
One thing I could not understand from all this discussion, why Desibabu jumps quickly to defend PC proposed policies. I think this discussion is more between Desi babu vs. all others (non PC voters or undecided voters). On one side you say that PC will scrap green energy contract and when someone presented a point, you immediately said that you agree that PC cannot do it.
Are you sure that you are not a PC agent because one thing is sure that all politicians lie even under a oath?
if I were a PC agent I would know exactly what he is going to do or not going to do.
of course i am not sure what he can or cannot do, no one can be sure.
he has said clearly in public media that he will scrap the Samsung contract.
I was quoting that.
Desi#1 is convinced he cannot.
I said I agree that he probably cant cancel a govt. contract.
what is wrong in expressing an opinion.?
regarding defending PC policies...I just happen to agree with many of them.
you want one where I don't agree...putting convincts to work on public works projects to save money.
i don't agree with that at all.
but that doesn't mean I won't vote just for that one reason.
it's too bad that the discussion became personal i.e. whether I am a political agent or not.
i was hoping to have an open and honest debate about what the issues in this election are and which party everyone is leaning towards.
if anyone wants to discuss pros and cons of various issues and where each of the parties stand with respect to each issue, I'm still game for the discussion.
but anyone who presents a favorable opinion towards a certain party is not necessarily a political agent.
DesiBabu70,
I am not saying liberals have done a lot for immigrant. But Harper & his ministers have definately screwed the visa system lately. Thanks to illogical policies, people applied for PR before 6 months got it by now, and who applied before 6 years still waiting. If you are settled in Canada/WA since years you might have absolutely no idea whats going on for PR/WP visa currently.
I understand that no political parties have any soft corner for immigrants, but even in name of vote bank, if any party is doing something, I really dont mind.
And for clean energy initiative of ON government, I would like to tell you that I could secure employment due to this initiative, and hoping to get better job in near future.
Being clean sector employee and immigrant myself, I dont see any future in PC. NDP is still a ray of hope for me.
Quote:ok, so we agree that none of the parties are bleeding hearts for immigrants.
Originally posted by imwhoever
I am not saying liberals have done a lot for immigrant. But Harper & his ministers have definately screwed the visa system lately. Thanks to illogical policies, people applied for PR before 6 months got it by now, and who applied before 6 years still waiting. If you are settled in Canada/WA since years you might have absolutely no idea whats going on for PR/WP visa currently.
so parents' visa is a big issue for immigrants right?
well immigration is a federal matter not a provincial matter so the Oct 6th vote will do nothing to change that issue one way or another.
having said that, you know what the true problem is?
it has more to do with overall immigration levels rather than individual political party.
there are only so many immigrants they will allow in any one given year.
that limit is set federally (except for Quebec).
therefore, more skilled and spousal immigrants means less room for parents immigration.
the problem is not that conservatives are against parents immigration, but the fact that more and more skilled immigrants coming in means there is less room left for parents.
within family class, spouses always have first preference of course.
children have second preference and parents have third and last position.
this is natural and correct.
so the way to speed up parents immigration is to reduce skilled immigration.
that will in effect also reduce spousal and kids' sponsorship and make more room for parents.
everybody benefits (Canadians, that is)
so you ask : why doesn't the govt. do that?
well it has, to some extent.
skilled immigration process has been streamlined and it is a lot faster now.
but there is another factor at play : Canada needs more and more skilled immigrants to come into the country, work and pay taxes.
without the high rate of taxes and lots of working people to pay the taxes, the public sector leeches cannot milk the system.
without high taxes Canada cannot afford to keep the unionized, cushy public sector pay benefits and pensions going.
more and more skilled immigrants are needed to keep paying the ever increasing costs of the public sector welfare system.
do you realize what it costs to sustain one single public sector empolyees pay, benefits and pensions throughout the lifetime, and beyond (if there is survivor benefit)?
even a first tier entry level public sector employee costs several millions in tax payer $$ to sustian for a typical 25 - 30 year working time.
who do you think is paying for that all?
so it comes a cycle : high public sector pay and pensions cost = more skilled immigrants to work and pay high taxes = more spousal and kids' sponsorship = less parents' sponsorship.
that is the game that is being played here.
it is also a factor that more aged parents means bigger burden on the health care and social welfare system such as OAS.
there is also rampant abuse by immigrants of the system too. for e.g. Canadian residents sponsoring parents only to leverage the medical benefits, or Canadian PRs living abroad sponsoring parents, or parents spending only 6 months in Canada and claiming all social benefits, or aged parents coming to Canada only to get expensive medical procedures done and then go back, and so on.
so it is partly our fault too.
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Originally posted by deeps
One thing I could not understand from all this discussion, why Desibabu jumps quickly to defend PC proposed policies. I think this discussion is more between Desi babu vs. all others (non PC voters or undecided voters). On one side you say that PC will scrap green energy contract and when someone presented a point, you immediately said that you agree that PC cannot do it.
Are you sure that you are not a PC agent because one thing is sure that all politicians lie even under a oath?
Deep,
If you read the thread, its not only desibabu who is opposing liberals and supporting pc. There are many like me but desibabu comes with points to support.
Whoever comes this time but liberal has affected my field and carirrer so definately I will not vote for liberals ever...
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