Posted on: 14-12-04 09:41:56
Hi Folks:
Since a long time I was wondering whether I would raise this question in this forum, but I couldn't resist to post to pent up my feelings for those who have had strong urge to post all but positive elements in this forum. No offense about anybody in particular.
I guess more or less everyone who have already or going to be migrated, would opt for Canadian citizenship. Once all of those 'would be citizen' take oath and obtain the Canadian Passport what next thing you do? Do you start criticizing your own country, or contribute to your community as much as possible to eleminate (atleast a try!) to eleminate those elements you hate to face it. Or you just take advantage of a North American Passport.
It is good to guide our fellow desis but discouraging them with all but negative elements, showing disgust to the system causing more harm than good to the new comers, atleast my feeling goes this way. Please don't be a traitor for a second time, you have left your country for the opportunity, may be better quality of life, definition is yours but adopting a new country and talking all the -ve elements and criticizing from every aspects - please don't make a hole in the plate you dine. You have a choice to get back to your native place, they are always welcoming you with garlands. But some people brought up with positive frame of mind, keep this network with positive postings as much as possible, it will help lots of people to take bold decision, they will overcome I do believe, just you need to stand by them.
All the best wishes to every one who took a bold decision to come to this country to give a shape to the future. Believe me you will not look back.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
New Guy
---------------------------
We can always do better!
Quote:
Orginally posted by New Guy
obtain the Canadian Passport what next thing you do?
Say bye bye Tata to Canadian "Experience"
Quote:
Orginally posted by New Guy
you just take advantage of a North American Passport.
Obviosly, after giving 4 years of hard labour that is the minimum advantage we can take from it.
Quote:
Orginally posted by New Guy
It is good to guide our fellow desis but discouraging them with all but negative elements, showing disgust to the system causing more harm than good to the new comers, atleast my feeling goes this way.
I magine of those immatured young people who force their parents to take loan, sell ancestor property for making their dream of foreign land come true.
Last weekend, I had recieved a call from one of my relative friend. He is spending Rs 7 Lakhs for getting student visa. He called up to ask me that, is it possible to work on student visa. His dad has taken loan on their land. What should be my answer to him? I don't consider this as a bold step to be encouraged.
Do you want to work like them. Then why did we have a lengthy thread on them cheating, promising false dream to clients. There were quite a few positive stories too, saying they have helped new comers in getting a good job by providing reference.
Quote:
Orginally posted by New Guy
Please don't be a traitor for a second time, you have left your country for the opportunity, may be better quality of life, definition is yours but adopting a new country and talking all the -ve elements and criticizing from every aspects - please don't make a hole in the plate you dine.
What traitor? I am not selling my country resources or classified information to any foreigner. Infact my country want NRI's to get foreign curency / investment. If I say my country is poor in resource managment, what is wrong in that. Canada is lousy in resource managment.
Quote:
Orginally posted by New Guy
You have a choice to get back to your native place, they are always welcoming you with garlands.
If you identify immigrants as traitor's of their respective country. Traitors are not welcomed on any land!!!
We will get back to our country after taking advantage of North American Passport.
That will make equation balanced.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Try overtaking child's imagination
I understood everything except the word 'TRAITOR'. How come an Immigrant is a traitor ?
-----------------------------------------------------------------
We will find a way or we will make one
Its a very important question.
I have applied for citz.
I will decide at the last moment whether to go for oath.
Its a big leap of faith for me.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
I once made a mistake, but I was wrong about it.
Dear Jago_Desi:
Quote:
____________________________________________________________
I magine of those immatured young people who force their parents to take loan, sell ancestor property for making their dream of foreign land come true.
Last weekend, I had recieved a call from one of my relative friend. He is spending Rs 7 Lakhs for getting student visa. He called up to ask me that, is it possible to work on student visa. His dad has taken loan on their land. What should be my answer to him? I don't consider this as a bold step to be encouraged.
Do you want to work like them. Then why did we have a lengthy thread on them cheating, promising false dream to clients. There were quite a few positive stories too, saying they have helped new comers in getting a good job by providing reference.
____________________________________________________________
Reference of them was irrelevant, I didn't post this topic from business point of view, may be 7 lacs is a tools of investment for him or may be not. What you consider is alright but let him have the freedom to think independently, just provide him all the pros and cons he needed to decide by himself. Why we guys always have to try our best to infuence others, why don't we share our ideas which may be good or bad that does not matter. The bottomline is let the people take those thread and move forward, let them write their future, fortune favours the brave, not always but often.
Quote:
____________________________________________________________
What traitor? I am not selling my country resources or classified information to any foreigner. Infact my country want NRI's to get foreign curency / investment. If I say my country is poor in resource managment, what is wrong in that. Canada is lousy in resource managment.
____________________________________________________________
Dear Smiley:
Quote:
____________________________________________________________
I understood everything except the word 'TRAITOR'. How come an Immigrant is a traitor ?
____________________________________________________________
I do apologize if I chose a wrong word, but by traitor I try to emphasize the literary meaning "who acts disloyal'. We left our country for a better opportunity, most of the cases we took subsidized education, we have had our vocational training, we took our oath to serve for the national cause and then bid her good bye to get Canadian experience. We forget the meaning of national anthem if we ever sung. We can't chose our family, religion and home by birth, we belong to them. We should not forget, where our origin is. Canadian Desi forum is serving the right way. But as an individual we must look back to eliminate the political and social injustice our fellows are going through back home, we shall put a voice in it. We serve our adopted country no doubt about it but don't keep the ties with our home just for the sake of the family left behind. We can do better than that. We have seen the good, bad and ugly. And we will prevail to do the good things and let others to do so.
Once again Smiley and Jago_desi, this expression of words are just my introspect, not to disregard anybody.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
New Guy
---------------------------
We can always do better!
Quote:
Orginally posted by New Guy
I do apologize if I chose a wrong word, but by traitor I try to emphasize the literary meaning "who acts disloyal'. We left our country for a better opportunity, most of the cases we took subsidized education, we have had our vocational training, we took our oath to serve for the national cause and then bid her good bye to get Canadian experience. We forget the meaning of national anthem if we ever sung. We can't chose our family, religion and home by birth, we belong to them. We should not forget, where our origin is. Canadian Desi forum is serving the right way. But as an individual we must look back to eliminate the political and social injustice our fellows are going through back home, we shall put a voice in it. We serve our adopted country no doubt about it but don't keep the ties with our home just for the sake of the family left behind. We can do better than that. We have seen the good, bad and ugly. And we will prevail to do the good things and let others to do so.
Once again Smiley and Jago_desi, this expression of words are just my introspect, not to disregard anybody.
New Guy,
From your posts, it seems either you are confused or not sure what you really want to convey. The first post gives a feeling that you are saying one should not criticize Canada after you start living here, while your second post says what you were meaning to say was that all Indian who have migrated should do more for India than what they are doing.
From a traitor, you turn to disloyal. Both these words do not define an immigrant. If it were so, most of the North Americans would be called traitors or disloyal because basically, North America is an immigrant society. By leaving one's own country, he does neither become traitor, nor disloyal. In my view, we immigrants are doing more service to India by coming out, not only in terms of earning foreign exchange to remit back to India, but also by reducing the burden to whatever extent we can on the overly populated India and on its resources. I would be happier if another 5 to 10 crores could leave India and go to countries like Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc. which would give a better balance to all the countries and therefore give everyone a chance to grow into stronger and better human beings.
So try to think again and decide what exactly what you want to convey.
Chandresh
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Chandresh
Advice is free – lessons I charge for!!
Chandresh:
Quote:
____________________________________________________
From your posts, it seems either you are confused or not sure what you really want to convey. The first post gives a feeling that you are saying one should not criticize Canada after you start living here, while your second post says what you were meaning to say was that all Indian who have migrated should do more for India than what they are doing.
___________________________________________________________
No comments as I told clearly its my view, staying in Canada and criticising about their system is morally wrong.
Bill Gates donate 100 million dollar in one visit, Steve Wagh opened an orpahange in Calacutta, CRY gets more funding from foreigners than NRI, NRIs are mostly in the news when the kids are getting married and spending millions in Victoria Memorial and UP. You are right Chandreshh, I am CONFUSED as why it is so? We deserved to do better for our native land and adopted country. Critcising, depression, angers do more harms than good to soul and body, its contagious too.
Quote:
__________________________________________________________
From a traitor, you turn to disloyal. Both these words do not define an immigrant. If it were so, most of the North Americans would be called traitors or disloyal because basically, North America is an immigrant society. By leaving one's own country, he does neither become traitor, nor disloyal. In my view, we immigrants are doing more service to India by coming out, not only in terms of earning foreign exchange to remit back to India, but also by reducing the burden to whatever extent we can on the overly populated India and on its resources. I would be happier if another 5 to 10 crores could leave India and go to countries like Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc. which would give a better balance to all the countries and therefore give everyone a chance to grow into stronger and better human beings.
___________________________________________________________
Chandresh, courtsey Oxford dict. to post the literary meaning of traitor, I did not turn myself. I don't pick up your points, it will be endless discussion, I don't criticise what you believe in. But I don't understand why people has to leave their own country to be a better human being? Keep the savings with you, remittance does not help any country much except when there is some sort of sanctions imposed. India is benefitted from Gulf countries remittances not form USA during the sanctions Imposed. India need industrial growth not remittances. Rather banking system through which you remit, they earn higher profit from the currency conversion, commission.
Every community welcome their community to come abroad for better living but not to be a better human being.
New Guy
------------------------------------
We can always do better
-----------------------------------------------------------------
New Guy
---------------------------
We can always do better!
