IT Job Market in Canada
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Posted on: 03-11-05 21:37:20
Canadian market right now is more like Indian Market pre-2001..
There are opportunities .. and jobs are available.. but demand-supply is almost evenly matched for people with certified skills and proven pedigree.. for others .. well it's hard to crack.. only difference is.. pre-2001.. Indian IT jobs were on the ascent curve.. here's it's pretty much flat.. and with time.. slow and steady down curve.. making it difficult for newcomers (be they new to country or field or area) to get ..
But again.. a lot depends upon the way US market operates.. it has capacity to absorb all surplus from Canada and then some.. but If India and China keep cracking out IT ppl at the same rate.. glut will definitely cause US popular opinion to put the squeeze on temperory work-permits.. and those are life-blood of global IT chain right now.. in such a case.. Canadian market after initial downturn will benefit in the longer run.. coz that would mean localized IT supply chains..
In short term.. who the hell knows..
If you get job.. it will be in one of the big metros.. and USA.. and there too it's bit hard to be optimistic without being blind to the trends..
Thanks a lot Priyank & ZCool for sharing in ur invaluable thoughts & making this thread informative.
Any feed back on Oracle technologies is also welcome .
Baliyan , kindly check PM .
Manasvi.
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Orginally posted by zCool
Canadian market right now is more like Indian Market pre-2001..
There are opportunities .. and jobs are available.. but demand-supply is almost evenly matched for people with certified skills and proven pedigree.. for others .. well it's hard to crack.. only difference is.. pre-2001.. Indian IT jobs were on the ascent curve.. here's it's pretty much flat.. and with time.. slow and steady down curve.. making it difficult for newcomers (be they new to country or field or area) to get ..
But again.. a lot depends upon the way US market operates.. it has capacity to absorb all surplus from Canada and then some.. but If India and China keep cracking out IT ppl at the same rate.. glut will definitely cause US popular opinion to put the squeeze on temperory work-permits.. and those are life-blood of global IT chain right now.. in such a case.. Canadian market after initial downturn will benefit in the longer run.. coz that would mean localized IT supply chains..
In short term.. who the hell knows..
If you get job.. it will be in one of the big metros.. and USA.. and there too it's bit hard to be optimistic without being blind to the trends..
Canadian market has been a bit immune to offshore outsourcing due to two reasons:
(i) Cheaper Canadian dollar
(ii)Canada gets twice the number of immigrants when compared to USA on a per capita basis
The Indian offshore companies typically charge between US$ 15 to 30 per hour for their offshore work (depending on the size of the company and nature of work). This is equal to around Canadian$ 17 - 35 per hour.
In Canada you can hire programmers at Can$ 20 - 35 per hour. So offshore outsourcing doesn't make much sense in Canada except for few types of projects.
The Indian offshore companies play the role of middle man taking advantage of the fact that Indians cannot work in the western countries without these companies sponsering their work permit visas to US/Europe.
Typical Indian programmer gets paid anywhere between US$ 1-3$ per hour in India while the Offshore company charges the client US$15-30
This huge margin is re-invested in recruiting more desperate Indians who don't have a way to leave India and work abroad except thru these companies.
Often these programmers work more than 8 hours and work on weekends so that they can beat the rest of their colleagues in the company to get a chance to work abroad and make money.
And the offshore employers know this so they squeeze more and more work out of these people by promising a trip abroad. Whether they actually keep their promise or not is anyones guess. Sometimes they send sometimes they just lie to retain the programmers.
Indian offshore companies thrive on the cheap labor desperate to go abroad.
Canada and Australia offer people a way out this mass exploitation. They allow the individual to immigrate to these countries and enjoy a good standard of life without undergoing exploitation in the offshore software companies.
This way the middle man (offshore outsourcing companies) are out of the picture and the businesses in Canada get cheaper programmers onsite while the immigrants pay taxes into an economy that provides them the good quality of life.
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at least in Canada.. to get those economically viable IT programmers.. they also keep doors open to every sort of huddled degenerate that reach these shores..
Refugee policy is sucidal..
Even immigration of IT personel is not rock-solid. Coz idea for countries like Canada can not be importing poor labor to drive down wages.. rather it is investing in education and making labor force high-tech to go up the value chain.
but we digress..
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Orginally posted by zCool
at least in Canada.. to get those economically viable IT programmers.. they also keep doors open to every sort of huddled degenerate that reach these shores..
Refugee policy is sucidal..
Even immigration of IT personel is not rock-solid. Coz idea for countries like Canada can not be importing poor labor to drive down wages.. rather it is investing in education and making labor force high-tech to go up the value chain.
but we digress..
I agree that the refugee policy in Canada is suicidal to the country. Most of the refugees come here to better their standard of living and not to escape persecution. I have been observing the refugee trends in North America and Europe for a long time. Most of the refugees come from Middle east where they take advantage of the ongoing conflicts in their countries or take advantage of the fact that they have some of the most repressive governments.
THESE REFUGEES TRAVEL ALL THE WAY FROM THE MIDDLE EAST TO NORTH AMERICA, EUROPE AND AUSTRALIA. THEY NEVER TRY TO GO TO NEAR BY COUNTRIES LIKE INDIA, MALAYSIA, THAILAND WHERE THERE IS FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY.
HOW SURPRISING!!
These (false) refugees are the most dangerous people. Look at what their decendents are doing in France and in UK (racial riots). They say they are doing this because they are poor.
I say that is NOT TRUE since , in countries like India many poor people work hard to meet their ends meet. Going by their (refugees in France) argument all the poor people in India (who are much poorer than the poor people in western countries) should be burning thousands of Cars!!
Canada should restrict the refugees and spend the money (that they are spending currently on refugees) on new immigrants.
By the way Canada doesn't need people like Ahmed Ressam
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Orginally posted by mercury6
Some great information here.
Thanks.
How about adding more information to the thread esp in Oracle Technologies which I believe is ur forte !
Manasvi.
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