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Posted on: 29-03-08 12:30:21
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Originally posted by Innocent_heart
culturally in india sport as profession not promoted. How many family motivate their children to became swimmer or bandminton player by profession not even 0.1%, It's not system to blame always.
currently the accepted cricket as profession now see how many talented guy we have in cricket team.
some infrastructure is mainly depend upon natural resources, all the electricity in india is mainly thermal and hydro. you can not take whole coal out side the ground and burn in one day if you have larger population, there is limited stock and there is limit you can use them.
You have limited water on river so you stretch your resource to demand. you can only solve these problem by alternative means of energy like nuclear electricity/solar but thing take time for these kind of solution, it's only 60 year India got independence.
petrol and LPG crisis has same story in india.
Well, there you have it. At least you have admitted there is a problem. Of course there are legitimate reasons for the same. Nobody on this forum says that there are no reasons, however, most people who have migrated had a choice not to put up with those issues. Its their personal choice and their decision to live with that choice. Granted that you do not agree but thats your right...however, the people who have made a choice are the ones who bear the consequences of the same not you. So you have nothing to worry about as far as their choices and you can rest easy knowing that you can stop judging them.
BTW: heres a letter that we received from one of our friends that is relevant to the topic at hand. Not that I agree with everything written...just a glimpse into the frustrations of someone from the middle-upper middle class living in India.
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u will not believe what happened on Sat even...we didnt have power and no water so instead of sitting at home and sweating it out we decided to go for the easter vigil, which is at 7.30 pm...they have it in the open air...mid-way just after the 2nd reading it poured and poured and poured ...we were all drenched ....people runnin in with chairs on their head...even the Bishop was running into the church...we were drenched and came back home....after we got home drenched we had no power and no water till the next day (easter even)...can u beat that...so all the time we were just ordering food from out. I am so worried about XXXXX ...so many mosquito bites and we are all down with a cold and cough ...and she has her exams from this week...unbelievable ...India has a long long way to go...they talk about their economy etc...but the infrastructure is so damn bad...so damn pathetic...good u guys ran away from here...not worth even a holiday...everytime it rains the power is shut down.
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Originally posted by Innocent_heart
Is children only learn culture/religion from parents or inside home.Isn't whole city's culture(infact whole country), school culture, their friend, culture in work place, TV has some impact on them.
children spend significant amount of time in school and with friend.Isn't it be odd man out if they don't follow them.
My duty is to make them strong even if they are the odd man out. We do not have cable ps2, wii etc at home. We watch movies that we deem good/ok for the kids. Some of them above their age but we are around to answer questions and explain things.
My kids have a lot of Mom and Dad every day 24/7. They have only had to daycare for 1yr out of 10. One of us always stays at home.
Yes my daughter is out of the loop when it comes to the latest tv show. However she also knows that is the reason why she is on the top of her class and why she has time to read all the books and atlases all around our house. Both kids are also into music and Karate and excelling in both.
She has read all the harry potter books and at 10 is now on lord of the rings. She is also reading her younger 6yr old brother his 3rd harry potter book. Mostly because the younger guy forces her. He prefers her to read the book than watch the movie. So apart from the reading they are also bonding stronger together as brother and sister.
I pray we can continue this for at least another 5-7 yrs until they staret spending more time outside.
Is any of this easy? No it takes a lot to be a parent and direct kids rather than use a tv as a babysitter. Yes it takes sacrifice and thinking out of the box. Yes it does mean some things take a back seat over others. Yes it means saying NO to your kids when its easy to meet their demands.
Like BL says, step up to the plate and dont blame the place for something you dont want to do.
If you decide to let society be a parent you will find that they have less reason to be a parent than the real ones.
If something is VERY important to you...be prepared to spend time with your kids to show and tell them WHY. If you do not spend time to do so, why will/should they take you seriously?
BTW: My kids are proudly Canadian. They are well aware of their Indian origin and proud of the same too.
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Originally posted by jake3d
Well, there you have it. At least you have admitted there is a problem. Of course there are legitimate reasons for the same. Nobody on this forum says that there are no reasons, however, most people who have migrated had a choice not to put up with those issues. Its their personal choice and their decision to live with that choice. Granted that you do not agree but thats your right...however, the people who have made a choice are the ones who bear the consequences of the same not you. So you have nothing to worry about as far as their choices and you can rest easy knowing that you can stop judging them.
BTW: heres a letter that we received from one of our friends that is relevant to the topic at hand. Not that I agree with everything written...just a glimpse into the frustrations of someone from the middle-upper middle class living in India.
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u will not believe what happened on Sat even...we didnt have power and no water so instead of sitting at home and sweating it out we decided to go for the easter vigil, which is at 7.30 pm...they have it in the open air...mid-way just after the 2nd reading it poured and poured and poured ...we were all drenched ....people runnin in with chairs on their head...even the Bishop was running into the church...we were drenched and came back home....after we got home drenched we had no power and no water till the next day (easter even)...can u beat that...so all the time we were just ordering food from out. I am so worried about XXXXX ...so many mosquito bites and we are all down with a cold and cough ...and she has her exams from this week...unbelievable ...India has a long long way to go...they talk about their economy etc...but the infrastructure is so damn bad...so damn pathetic...good u guys ran away from here...not worth even a holiday...everytime it rains the power is shut down.
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I am trying to explain the level of competition because of population and the limitation of infrastructure.
I am not saying situation is that bad that you can not live there and you have to migrate.
regarding your frnd's letter i Don't buy it, I will say most of the middle class have "Inverter" in india to deal with power cut, upper middle class also have water tank locally which also able to supply water for 3-4 days, no one has direct supply they store it tank(Syntex tank will cost you 2000rs or more jsut once)upper middle class also buy drinking water which comes which 20 ltr container(40rs) which govt can't stop.
there is problem then there is parallel solution exist with affordable cost.
if your frnd worry about mosquito then write him letter about extreme weather condition and 400 cm snow every year with almost no sun whole year.
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Originally posted by Innocent_heart
I am trying to explain the level of competition because of population and the limitation of infrastructure.
I am not saying situation is that bad that you can not live there and you have to migrate.
That's for each individual to decide...not you. Most of us here have made that choice. Leave us to our choice. You are free to make you own choices.
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Originally posted by Innocent_heart
regarding your frnd's letter i Don't buy it, I will say most of the middle class have "Inverter" in india to deal with power cut, upper middle class also have water tank locally which also able to supply water for 3-4 days, upper middle class also buy drinking water which comes which 20 ltr container which govt can't stop.
there is problem then there is parallel solution exist with affordable cost.
if your frnd worry about mosquito then write him letter about extreme weather condition and 400 cm snow every year with almost no sun whole year.
I dont have to live in a gated community and pay extra for what I consider basic necessities. So its my personal choice to be here and I love it. I'd rather have these basic necessities available 24/7 without me worrying about inverters or buying water from tankers.
Id rather be here. So will my friend...at the drop of a hat. Wether you buy it or not is inconsequential.
The difference between you and me is that I do not INSIST that you make the same choices I do(and see things the way I do). You are very welcome to your inverters and 20 rs/litre water or whatever(which govt cannot stop
). I'll take the snow thank you. Its sunny enough in montrealIf you keep insisting that others make choices according to your likes and dislikes...it does not seem wise. What do you think?
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Originally posted by jake3d
I dont have to live in a gated community and pay extra for what I consider basic necessities. So its my personal choice to be here and I love it. I'd rather have these basic necessities available 24/7 without me worrying about inverters or buying water from tankers.
Id rather be here. So will my friend...at the drop of a hat. Wether you buy it or not is inconsequential.
The difference between you and me is that I do not INSIST that you make the same choices I do(and see things the way I do). You are very welcome to your inverters and 20 rs/litre water or whatever(which govt cannot stop
If you keep insisting that others make choices according to your likes and dislikes...it does not seem wise. What do you think?
isn't it "gated community" when people grow their children with their culture back home rather than culture here?
people often say-
we are proud canadian but we will not sleep with bf at age of 17 because we are indian as well even this controversy theory is correct and still not "gated" but how long this will be true.may be one generation what about second generation third generation ?
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Originally posted by Innocent_heart
isn't it \"gated community\" when you grow your children with your culture rather than culture here?
Your question is not well put together and I don't quite understand.
I dont think the culture there is superior to here or vice versa. I only know that i find it easier to live with some aspects of the culture here than there.
I'd have a tougher time explaining to my kids why a 4 yr old is begging outside my car window. I would have a tougher time explaining why some people have to live in slums and houses the size of my washroom. I have a tougher time explaining why some people have gated communities and some live under salvaged tin roofs.
Its not for me. Id rather face it once every few years when I go to India, than live there all the time than live away from the 'mainstream' in a gated community like Fido mentioned.
BTW: Living in gated communities makes any place a good place to live in. Even Darfur. Its no measure of what the 'mainstream' actually is.
**Id rather live in a country where the 'mainstream' enjoys a higher standard of living than a country where a privileged few try to live like how the 'mainstream' in Canada lives . BIG difference there. However, its still a personal choice.**
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Originally posted by Innocent_heart
people often say-
we are proud canadian but we will not sleep with bf at age of 17 because we are indian as well even this controversy theory is correct and still not "gated" but how long this will be true.may be one generation what about second generation third generation ?
what about it? If they are adults and they choose to spend a few minutes in sexual activity what is your problem? Its not that thats all they will do 24/7. Or is that what you think? The world ends if they have sex before marriage?
Like I said i'll focus on what they do out of bed rather than in bed. What they do in bed is not your problem...even if its your child(after they reach a certain age).
You guys talk as if India has an AIDS epidemic and a population of 1 billion merely by hugging the neighborhood tree!
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/08/60minutes/main610961.shtml
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AIDS is out of control in Africa, and everyone knows it. But by some estimates, the most AIDS-infected country is no longer in Africa.
It's in Asia, and the country is India -- our closest ally in a dangerous part of the world. In fact, it’s perhaps the only country in that region that has not been infected with al Qaeda.
But according to a CIA report, if the epidemic isn't contained soon, it could come back to haunt us -- weakening India's army, and damaging India's economy, which is closely tied to ours.
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I think its more appropriate to instruct people in India about how to indulge in safe sex rather than boast how 'culturally pure' we are by denying sexual activity in India.
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