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Posted on: 28-03-08 22:56:46
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Originally posted by viggy
Now I am even more confused.... Is "people listening hindi song and talking about Indian culture all the time and try to find indian food everywhere." or 'eat "Lauki" at home' now indicators of 'trying to be Canadian' ?
On second thoughts, guess you are confused between 'Indianness' and 'Living in India'
Yaa for those confused people we have word ABCD. no wonder why you are confused it's not new.
Enjoy your Mcdonald and proud to be Canadian just ask white guy also how much he accept you as canadian.
Wow! So India is full of Canadians (going by your definition on what is canadian).... That is indeed alarming !!
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Originally posted by viggy
Yes, the education system in India is much more competitive... I was talking about job opportunities only.
Education system and job markets are directly proportional wrt competitiveness - India and Canada are 02 good examples. More the population , more the competition in every field.
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Originally posted by viggy
Partly this is exactly what I am trying to say - that no one is migrating here because it is easy to get a job. They have to struggle hard to establish themselves. For a skilled person, getting a job in India is much easier than here. Hence the view that the job market here is not as competitive in India is absurd! It is only much more tougher.
An Immigrant migrates here because life is easier than his own country - he can own a car , house in 1/10th time here in Canada as compared to India.The struggle here is nothing as compared to India.Whats paradoxical is that in India qualified / skilled people compete in their own levels for their level of jobs - here due to the system's deficiency they compete for lowly jobs.
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Originally posted by viggy
About fairness - I see what you are saying. My statement was in a slightly different angle - for all doctors, the constraints are same (They all need a Canadian degree - hence fair environment). For all engineers, the constraints are the same. I am not comparing across doctor domain and cabby domain or IT domain. Where as in India, taking doctor's case, whether I was born into a particular religion or a particular caste or how much I am able to pay bribe or what contacts I have alters the equation. Hence it is not fair.
Is the human body different the world over ? Rather than having people wait for 4 years for surgeries , can't the Govt have a bridge course and recognize foreign doctors ? Their big Southern brother does that.
Bribery , contacts work everywhere - even in Canada and the US but do not comprise a majority of jobs anywhere including India , they are exceptions perse and dont constitute the rule - the current major well earning work force in India is in private jobs and not Government and get jobs beyond caste ,creed , religion whatsoever . Ever heard of a lot of doctors vying for Immigration ?? They are quite comfortably practicing in India earning good money. Why would they come to Canada where the system does not recognize them - Yes they do go to US . Canada's system is unable to absorb the well qualified immigrants they take in and thats not due to competition eg : Canadian experience
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Fido.
Fido, there are a number of doctors from India immigrating out of India. The main reason is the quality of jobs in offer. Yes the metro have opportunities and job availabilty for doctors, but then how many people can get jobs in metros. After spending a fortune to get medical education in India, they dont want to work in some far flung areas. Everyone wants to work in the metro's. That is the reason doctors do move out of India. There are about 40,000 Indian junior doctors in UK , a number of them in Australia and US.
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Originally posted by Fido
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Originally posted by viggy
Ever heard of a lot of doctors vying for Immigration ?? They are quite comfortably practicing in India earning good money. Why would they come to Canada where the system does not recognize them - Yes they do go to US . Canada's system is unable to absorb the well qualified immigrants they take in and thats not due to competition eg : Canadian experience
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Originally posted by Fido
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Originally posted by viggy
Yes, the education system in India is much more competitive... I was talking about job opportunities only.
Education system and job markets are directly proportional wrt competitiveness - India and Canada are 02 good examples. More the population , more the competition in every field.
What about the size of the economy? The US is 10 times the population of Canada, still the "competition" for jobs is much less, i.e. jobs are easier to find and pay more.
And let's not act like population is an issue that just dropped out of the skies and happened to land in India. A country and its people are responsible for managing its population. When you start asking about how this population mess got created, people start pointing to the lack of education. When you ask about illiteracy levels, people point to corruption. And when you ask about corruption, people point to population. Pretty self-serving circle of complacence, wouldn't you say?
Its one thing to profess your love for India, which I think most of us will relate to. Its a completely different thing to put blinders on your eyes and not acknowledge real issues. Not saying that you're doing that, but I can certainly see instances of that on this thread.
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An Immigrant migrates here because life is easier than his own country - he can own a car , house in 1/10th time here in Canada as compared to India.The struggle here is nothing as compared to India.Whats paradoxical is that in India qualified / skilled people compete in their own levels for their level of jobs - here due to the system's deficiency they compete for lowly jobs.
Says you! Don't just look at the first day an immigrant lands in Canada. For a more realistic perspective, look at a 0-5 yr. picture. I don't have any hard stats., but most hard working and motivated immigrants I know personally always move up to their own level or higher in their pursuits. Some may change career paths out of choice or desperation, but with what I"ve observed in my circle of acquaintances is everybody moves up the chain in their own way.
Not everything's perfect here nor in India. And let me kill the suspense by saying it never will be. Things will continue to improve in both places though, at least we hope.
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I think the choice lies b/w whether we are ready to compromise our culture and values for the sake of clean hygienic life or vice versa.
What do you do with your culture & values ??? forget them and compromise -- how would you find your daughter / son living in together unmarried with their boy friends / girl friends ??
Sorry, that sounds like something right out of a cheesy Bollywood script. What compromise?? Taking scenarios like these as a basis to extrapolate super simplistic choices (hygenie vs. culture) is ridiculous. Its melodrama that means squat to the guy whose daughter was gang-raped right outside a top notch hotel on an open street in Bombay recently. I better brace for a statement like "she deserved it because she was wearing a mini-skirt".
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Originally posted by viggy
A 1 billion people country means a larger market and hence larger opportunities - and which in turn means increased success rates. May be it is just too much expectation on an 'investor' to know these basics... or for that matter, what is 'fair market', isn't it?
If I were you, I would send my Pune International School and German 3 yr Engg degrees back for re-evaluation. There must have been some mistake!
It's not
In india there is a four-tier structure of ad- ministration - division, district, taluka/tehsil/block, and village. The district has been so far the most important unit of administration.So for every district only one Collector and deputy collector and so on.At the time of the 1991 census there were 466 districts in the country. so the number of IAS/IPS/IFS job is limited, same for state level PCS. more population does not means you can have 10 Prime minister, Every state can have only 1 CM whatever is their population. Same for sports- Indian cricket team can not play with 22 player because they are 1 billion people. So which increases competition.
when it comes to infrastructure- Electricity, Water, Traffic, Oil consumption you stretch your limit because of population, then people cry there is power cut in India so let's migrate to Canada because there is no power cut in Canada.
I don't know why people cry so much about reservation.do you think that is completely wrong? those ill treated tribes and lower caste shouldn't be part of the society, those tribe should still live in forest. There is enough number of unreserved government job.
How many immigrants come here for govt job in foreign country.Do they use human trafficing/false marriage/false work permit for Govt job here? How many Indian are in Govt job out side the India.If govt job in canada means driving the OCtranspo Bus then yes becoming OC transpo bus driver is much easier then becoming IAS officer in india.
there are many people who were able to get job with paying any bribe and without any political link. Don't talk about 1970 era, India has changed so much, system is fair enough if you cope with competition you will get it. Even to get admission in normal school child has to go through interview and to get in to normal engineering college has to study 16-18 hour a day for atleast 2-3 year, Imagine how much hard work you need to get job.
It's not corruption/bribe/reservation scare people it's simple amount of hard work and competition which force the migration.
It's the people who offer the bribe to bypass the process not the system asked for, if nobody will pay the bribe then they will not fill the vacancy or what.Those so called canadian when land in airport they pay bribe to custom to take their stuff why don't you declare your stuff properly and pay the duty and then blame the system.
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Originally posted by Fido
Indian farming was an age long example of disguised employment where on the same piece of land 4 brothers were working which was earlier tilled by one man - their father . I gave this example to prove that population growth strains resources and incomes.
Competition in India v/s competition in Canada --- to my understanding there s no comparison as resources in Canada are currently much more their population unlike a reverse situation in India - a prime reason for Canada inducing Immigration .
A few facts with respect to competition in India
The total strength for IIMs in for 06 is 1300 approx
the applicant for 06 were = 172000.
hence competion for general candidate 1:213
IIT : nearly three lakh students who competed for 4,078 seats = 1 : 75 .
AIIMS : 100000/40 = 1: 2500
I had read once that people who score a 99 percentile in GMAT (students the top 10 US Univs would love to take) --- cant be guaranteed of an interview call to the IIMs
Reserved jobs and positions are a minuscule of the current Indian job market and corruption / malpractices do not apply to private jobs mostly and thats where the path is leading to .... shun Govt jobs and take private ones .
Canada is very competitive and fair for laborers , cabbies and waiters but not for qualified immigrants as the system / economy is not geared (read intends ) to absorb them . Otherwise you would not find highly qualified PG s / PhD s lining up in labor / odd jobs . There s a dearth of doctors and the Govt doesn't take any measures of recognizing foreign degrees which surprisingly India does as per TOI report today .
India s labor market is very fair - where people who are less educated land up in menial jobs like cabbies / waiters .......... here due to a shortage on these jobs most immigrants are forced into these despite their high education / qualifications / credentials which are double checked when they are taken in . All in all its a sham .
I have not found many highly qualified Indians coming to Canada (IIT s / IIM s) unlike the US . But then US is different - they recognize foreign credentials and absorb them into the job stream successfully.
So true.
the recent best example is - Narayan Murthy's(founder of Infosys) son, who was not able to make it in IIT but he made it in US top university.
not to forget about the competition for IBS, hyderabad.
even this ratio is among the people who already cleared the first or second level of competition which will be 1:5000 or so ,as not every body can give IIM/AIIMS.
I never saw a Doctor driving taxi in india or a X bank officer working as security gaurd. you can easily find it here.
I already wrote this - I met girl from chandigarh she said they have many house there in Chd and father was like vice president in india for some company.
In Canada he worked as security gaurd also, I don't know what he is doing now in toronto but family were all set to take Canadian citizenship, why to take so much of trouble just to show your relative/society that you are abroad.
another fact is 99% people take Canadian citizenship so that they can work in US or their children will go easily to US, that is so true, as they were not able to make it through immigration for US or other developed country.
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