Why do all Professionals want to come to Canada?
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Posted on: 09-10-04 19:30:49
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Orginally posted by crenshaw
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Orginally posted by rajcanada
....and this forum is being criticized by some for being negative. One should see the complete picture and not just one aspect of it.
Those who landed in good jobs within few days of landing, are they still on the forum?
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You guys seem to think that you are actually ‘helping’ new immigrants with your negative posts. All that you are doing is trying to find excuses for your failures, by hoping that everyone around you is in the same condition.
Is there any excuse for failure?
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If you actually want to help people, there are lots of potential / new immigrants asking questions, I don’t see any of you helping out with information. All you ever seem to do is try to portray a picture that Canada is this one big hell-hole – which it certainly is not, else you would have been on the first flight out!
You mean to say none of new immigrants' queries are answered? Again you are presenting an extremely skewed view. Canadian Desi has wealth of information for new immigrants.
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If you really want to help, one more thing that you could do is to try advising caution. Tell people that things may not be a bed of roses, they may succeed, there’s also a possibility that they may not, they need to be prepared for that, not comments like “CANADA IMMIGRATION SUCKS” in caps.
You won’t find too many people with success stories coming to this site. I know a few people that are successful and come to this site but look at the spelling and grammatical mistakes on the titles and content of a lot of the threads and just walk away because they believe that the site represents some sort of an underclass – doesn’t represent them. Others come here just for the ‘soap opera value’ – to see people squabbling.
It is unfortunate if people walk away because of spelling mistakes and negative content. By the way, how many forums have you seen in which people's posts are gramatically correct and there are no spelling mistakes? I still wonder if immigrants are so successful, why do they not come and post. It is in very bad taste if you visit Canadiandesi for soap opera value and see people squabbling.
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I was one of those people who landed a well paying job within a few weeks of landing (we seem to be so scarce on this forum). The only reason I still log onto the forum is because this entire issue (denigrating Canada) is personally sensitive to me, as a lot of people tried to give me their negative perspectives when I first landed. I stuck on and am the better for it, might not necessarily stick on posting on this website for much longer though....
You say you are successful and hence will not visit the forum after sometime. I am still trying to understand this logic - "If I am successful in Canada, I will not post it on Canadiandesi" .
http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/TorontoSun/News/2004/10/09/662063.html
If you read this story in Toronto Sun, what are you going to think about Canada? Would you stop reading Toronto Sun and Toronto Star like you are going to stop visiting Canadian Desi?
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Just to add - I am a successful first generation past middle-age immigrant. When I came here 6 years ago I was past 40. I landed a well paying job in a reputable company within a couple of months of landing here. So what? Should that be taken as a rule? No. If you want me to be honest, I will say with certainty, that it is more of an exception. I was just plain lucky!!! And this is what I want to convey that despite my success, I do not want to encourage people to come to Canada. Here I would like to clarify a very important point. The "not encouraging" gab is not for the whole spectrum of immigrants. The people I do not encourage are only those
1. who have a reasonably successful career in their home country
2. those who are middle age or over
3. those who have well paying and reasonably secure jobs back home.
People who belong to this above category are the most likely to feel miserable and defeated if they come to this country.
It is perfectly ok to think of immigration and come to Canada for people for whom one or more of the following is true:
1. Less than 30 years of age.
2. At most are in first few years of their career building.
3. Do not have a lot to lose even if they are forced to start from ground zero.
4. Have not had much of a taste of seniority and a successful career as a manager and above in their home country.
5. Are willing to re-educate themselves.
6. Have children that are young(<10 years of age) which gives them sufficient time to save for the post secondary education of their children.
7. Do not have well paying jobs in their home country.
8. Are not likely to feel depressed if forced to work in menial jobs e.g labour, cab drivers, Tim Hortons, security guard, telemarketing etc.
9. Do not have sound post secondary qualifications.
Maybe I could add more, but I will leave that to fellow desis.
What I am trying to say is that, not everyone should, or need be, discouraged. It is a certain sub section of the population that has to look at this business of immigration with adequate caution. This lot of people who think that because they have been successful in their home country, they will also be successful in Canada, need to be warned and at least not encouraged.
To summarize what I have said, the sob stories and failures are not directed for the entire population and are not meant to demoralize the whole lot. If you belong to one or more of the categories listed in the latter section above, you are most certainly welcome to Canada. You are quite likely to be rewarded! But if you are not in one or more of the above, then please...stop...think...think again...and again....and again...only after that proceed! Not to imply that you are definitely going to be a failure, but yes...chances are more that it may not turn out as you expected.
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wisernow
very well said, wisernow.
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Orginally posted by rajcanada
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Orginally posted by crenshaw
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Orginally posted by rajcanada
You say you are successful and hence will not visit the forum after sometime. I am still trying to understand this logic - "If I am successful in Canada, I will not post it on Canadiandesi" .
http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/TorontoSun/News/2004/10/09/662063.html
If you read this story in Toronto Sun, what are you going to think about Canada? Would you stop reading Toronto Sun and Toronto Star like you are going to stop visiting Canadian Desi?
Yeah buddy, people like crenshaw are never going to change. Despite of Canadian media take recognition of the problem, desi sucessful think Canada to have just system in offering of job. I will be more than happy to say bye bye to people like crenshaw. I donot know why this guy brags of his language skills, for now star has lost one customer "crenshaw".
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Orginally posted by wisernow
Just to add - I am a successful first generation past middle-age immigrant. When I came here 6 years ago I was past 40. I landed a well paying job in a reputable company within a couple of months of landing here. So what? Should that be taken as a rule? No. If you want me to be honest, I will say with certainty, that it is more of an exception. I was just plain lucky!!! And this is what I want to convey that despite my success, I do not want to encourage people to come to Canada. Here I would like to clarify a very important point. The "not encouraging" gab is not for the whole spectrum of immigrants. The people I do not encourage are only those
1. who have a reasonably successful career in their home country
2. those who are middle age or over
3. those who have well paying and reasonably secure jobs back home.
People who belong to this above category are the most likely to feel miserable and defeated if they come to this country.
It is perfectly ok to think of immigration and come to Canada for people for whom one or more of the following is true:
1. Less than 30 years of age.
2. At most are in first few years of their career building.
3. Do not have a lot to lose even if they are forced to start from ground zero.
4. Have not had much of a taste of seniority and a successful career as a manager and above in their home country.
5. Are willing to re-educate themselves.
6. Have children that are young(<10 years of age) which gives them sufficient time to save for the post secondary education of their children.
7. Do not have well paying jobs in their home country.
8. Are not likely to feel depressed if forced to work in menial jobs e.g labour, cab drivers, Tim Hortons, security guard, telemarketing etc.
9. Do not have sound post secondary qualifications.
Maybe I could add more, but I will leave that to fellow desis.
What I am trying to say is that, not everyone should, or need be, discouraged. It is a certain sub section of the population that has to look at this business of immigration with adequate caution. This lot of people who think that because they have been successful in their home country, they will also be successful in Canada, need to be warned and at least not encouraged.
To summarize what I have said, the sob stories and failures are not directed for the entire population and are not meant to demoralize the whole lot. If you belong to one or more of the categories listed in the latter section above, you are most certainly welcome to Canada. You are quite likely to be rewarded! But if you are not in one or more of the above, then please...stop...think...think again...and again....and again...only after that proceed! Not to imply that you are definitely going to be a failure, but yes...chances are more that it may not turn out as you expected.
make copy of these and send it as a reply to desi asking you of the condition in Canada.
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Orginally posted by jago_desi
Yeah buddy, people like crenshaw are never going to change. Despite of Canadian media take recognition of the problem, desi sucessful think Canada to have just system in offering of job. I will be more than happy to say bye bye to people like crenshaw. I donot know why this guy brags of his language skills, for now star has lost one customer "crenshaw".
Couldn't resist this one....Jago_desi has finally woken up........what's the latest buzz on your conspiracy theory? Got a court date as yet?.......
I'm not going anywhere just yet, will stick around to hear stories of your 'struggles' against the CIC, so hold your goodbyes for now......
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Orginally posted by rajcanada
Is there any excuse for failure?
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That's what you guys are trying to find by coming over here and commiserating among yourselves.
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Orginally posted by rajcanada
You mean to say none of new immigrants' queries are answered? Again you are presenting an extremely skewed view. Canadian Desi has wealth of information for new immigrants.
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Well I know that you do answer queries, but a lot of other guys that come here to do their Canada bashing don't have anything to contribute to the site, other than to say that it is some kind of hell-hole.
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Orginally posted by rajcanada
It is unfortunate if people walk away because of spelling mistakes and negative content. By the way, how many forums have you seen in which people's posts are gramatically correct and there are no spelling mistakes? I still wonder if immigrants are so successful, why do they not come and post. It is in very bad taste if you visit Canadiandesi for soap opera value and see people squabbling.
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People who are here in Canada walk away because they believe that the sort of folks that post here are an \"underclass\" and not representative of them - folks that cannot post 2 lines on a forum without a half dozen mistakes. There was this character on one of the other threads who called people "mentally sick" when he meant something else!
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Orginally posted by rajcanada
You say you are successful and hence will not visit the forum after sometime. I am still trying to understand this logic - \"If I am successful in Canada, I will not post it on Canadiandesi\" .
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You've taken comments out of context here.....
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Orginally posted by rajcanada
If you read this story in Toronto Sun, what are you going to think about Canada? Would you stop reading Toronto Sun and Toronto Star like you are going to stop visiting Canadian Desi?
The issue is that every topic on the forum here, degenerates into describing Canada as one big hell-hole, from the very skewed perspective of people that couldn't 'make it'. Doesn't happen on the Toronto Star and the Toronto Sun.
Lets acknowledge the fact that if things were as bad as they are being made out to be, a lot of folks posting negatively here would have been on a flight back to wherever they came from. If they were doing as well as they make themselves out to be prior to coming to Canada, their previous employers should be more than happy to have them back.........and we in Canada more than happy to see them go!
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