How will India move forward?


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jake3d   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 26-05-05 10:56:17

In almost any country the nationalist sentiments are pumped into us right from childhood...movies, school, tv, books etc.

Heres a nice essay on the above topic...less extreme imo. Dont mind the bg...its worth a read.

http://clam-chowder.tripod.com/nationalism.html

an excerpt

"To win people's support the state uses all sorts of symbols and myths. These are called national symbols or national traditions…Governments need nationalism to make people obey them. It tries to persuade them that they are doing something more important. This important thing is called the person's 'duty' to the nation.
The national leaders are not, for the most part, sentimentalists, but they know that a good portion of their country is, and they use that to their advantage. If they can give extra meaning to something that would normally mean very little and, by telling their citizens that it represents their country, they may easily wield power with that once-worthless object.
There is positive nationalism, but it is much less prevalent than its negative copy. As Mr. Reich states, "…failure to choose positive nationalism almost surly promotes its negative twin, because the losers are left vulnerable."


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mercury6   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 26-05-05 11:54:51

Nationalism is the modern version of religion in the medieval and later periods.

Hope it goes away ASAP.

For me any system that says I must do this or that or be or think in a particular way is suspect.


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jake3d   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 26-05-05 12:06:13

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Orginally posted by mercury6

Nationalism is the modern version of religion in the medieval and later periods.

Hope it goes away ASAP.

For me any system that says I must do this or that or be or think in a particular way is suspect.




Careful...you are going to be branded a 'traitor'. All the hindi movies(since we are talking about desis) say that if you are not 'patriotic' you are a 'traitor'.
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mercury6   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 26-05-05 12:46:18

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Careful...you are going to be branded a 'traitor'. All the hindi movies(since we are talking about desis) say that if you are not 'patriotic' you are a 'traitor'.
:D



Oddly , we indians are our own worst critics.
Yes we bash our own country unlike any body has done any where in the world.

I like being in a place where I can wake up, open the windows and shout out loud...."Being in country is a bit*h".

India is magnificent that way.


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jake3d   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 26-05-05 13:11:37

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Oddly , we indians are our own worst critics.
Yes we bash our own country unlike any body has done any where in the world.


isnt it true for most nationalities?

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I like being in a place where I can wake up, open the windows and shout out loud...."Being in country is a bit*h".



this is something I cannot quite understand...wouldnt want to say that in India, Canada or US(where I may be lynched:)). Afterall it has more to do with me than the country I am in. Ofcourse, I could be wrong.


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mercury6   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 26-05-05 13:21:55

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isnt it true for most nationalities?




not with our passion.
Although some countries are catching up.
and we are changing too.


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this is something I cannot quite understand...wouldnt want to say that in India, Canada or US(where I may be lynched:)). Afterall it has more to do with me than the country I am in. Ofcourse, I could be wrong.



Partly.

I am firmly in the "If you dont like it here, dont agree with me, please stay" camp.

As opposed to "If you dont like it here, you can leave".


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jake3d   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 26-05-05 13:33:44

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Orginally posted by mercury6


Partly.

I am firmly in the "If you dont like it here, dont agree with me, please stay" camp.


As opposed to "If you dont like it here, you can leave".




I'm in the "lets work within before looking outside" camp.

Whats neat is theres room for all camps...and none of them have an exclusive domain on the 'truth'.


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