Religious groups plan to picket board over school’s Muslim prayer service
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Originally posted by Nightmare
The issue here is that a taxpayer funded institution cannot grant special privileges to any identified group, especially considering that Canada is a secular country. The excuses given are poor and weak. For example, Cafeteria is used for the prayer. Now what about the right of students who simply want to have coffee during that time and wants to use the cafeteria?
Would school board allow a Catholic priest to come and preach Christian students on daily basis?
The excuse, again is that Muslims are mandated to prey five times a day. Nobody surveyed or asked whether on weekends these same students pray 5 times or whether their parents pray 5 times a day. The larger issue is that there are so many things mandated in Koran. How far a school of mixed children go to accommodate one faith while not allowing the other faiths same privilege?
All the points raised in your response are outright wrong and not based on facts ...
First of all there is no preaching and no five times a day prayers. They are praying on friday and the imam leads the prayer .... that is it.
As regards with the accomodation provided by the school, it is based on the guidelines that Toronto Board has set for all its schools. These guidelines on religious accomodation are available to ALL RELIGIONS !!!!!! Here is a link to the report http://www.tdsb.on.ca/wwwdocuments/programs/Equity_in_Education/docs/Guidelines%20and%20Procedures.pdf and please read the annexure which provides the kind of accomodation available to ALL RELIGIONS.
This accomodation for a space for prayer is available to hindus too. It talks about the importance of Saraswati puja in the morning for hindus and lays down guidelines for providing space for this. Now no one is using this facility does not mean that you shoud stop others from using this facility too.
Schools are not a place for prayers and worship . There are temples / churches / mosques for that .
This serves as a wrong precedent . Tomorrow you can have Hindu , Buddhist , Sikh groups practicing their prayers ..... this might lead to religious polarization amongst the students .
Religion is ok but only till a certain level .. where it does not infringe on other religions / other purposes in this case schooling .
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Originally posted by puttoo
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Originally posted by Nightmare
The issue here is that a taxpayer funded institution cannot grant special privileges to any identified group, especially considering that Canada is a secular country. The excuses given are poor and weak. For example, Cafeteria is used for the prayer. Now what about the right of students who simply want to have coffee during that time and wants to use the cafeteria?
Would school board allow a Catholic priest to come and preach Christian students on daily basis?
The excuse, again is that Muslims are mandated to prey five times a day. Nobody surveyed or asked whether on weekends these same students pray 5 times or whether their parents pray 5 times a day. The larger issue is that there are so many things mandated in Koran. How far a school of mixed children go to accommodate one faith while not allowing the other faiths same privilege?
All the points raised in your response are outright wrong and not based on facts ...
First of all there is no preaching and no five times a day prayers. They are praying on friday and the imam leads the prayer .... that is it.
As regards with the accomodation provided by the school, it is based on the guidelines that Toronto Board has set for all its schools. These guidelines on religious accomodation are available to ALL RELIGIONS !!!!!! Here is a link to the report http://www.tdsb.on.ca/wwwdocuments/programs/Equity_in_Education/docs/Guidelines%20and%20Procedures.pdf and please read the annexure which provides the kind of accomodation available to ALL RELIGIONS.
This accomodation for a space for prayer is available to hindus too. It talks about the importance of Saraswati puja in the morning for hindus and lays down guidelines for providing space for this. Now no one is using this facility does not mean that you shoud stop others from using this facility too.
I do not have time to read the link but I admit that I might be wrong on the facts that you have outlined above.
My understanding after reading all the previous post by other CD members was that the facility is provided on DAILY basis though Imam might be preaching only on Friday.
The point I am making is that no politician has guts to take on Muslim community in Toronto, for right reasons or wrong. In many of the constituencies, they are the king maker. I, in fact, appreciate the spirit of unity amongst them which help the members to exercise considerable influence on decision makers. Further, my another point that nobody monitors the discourse by Imam in the school premises is also disturbing. IF TDSB provides the space for religious discourse, then it is absolutely wrong. In a secular country, religious instructions in school is unacceptable under any circumstance.
I understand that the Imam makes girls and biys sit separately and biys sit in the front row. It is unfortunate that impressionable minds are poisoned as to supremacy of male.
The TDSB idiots argue that nobody is forced to attend religious discourse. However, TDSB should know what is meant by peer pressure.
This school and Sharia lover Mcguinty should go down in history as pioneering institution / person of Islam in Canada. Puttoo, If your highly superior intellect thinks that this is okay, then say so otherwise do noy yty to defend such prictise.
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Originally posted by thanks
well these kids never demanded special thing in school. They are praying in vacant space when no one is using cafeteria. They are not forcing other faith student to come join them.
You and people like you insight hatred and you know it but vomitting here your venom nothing will happen.
For one - please mind your language and your choice of words .... This unsavory language may not be tolerated on CD !!!
For 2 - to pray and perform religious duties when others are playing , is in itself a special thing ...... Why should they be doing special things ... based on a religion ???
This spawns religious discrimination which might lead to religion based groups in schools and communities which is a certainly un desirable thing and inhibits free interaction amongst students from different communities and faiths ... which might lead to religious intolerance .....
Where schools can be allowed to be religion neutral and let all student inter mingle regard less of religion , this step is in the wrong direction .
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IF TDSB provides the space for religious discourse, then it is absolutely wrong. In a secular country, religious instructions in school is unacceptable under any circumstance.
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Wrong again .... TDSB is not providing space for religious discourse or religious instructions .... it is providing a space for students to pray.
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For 2 - to pray and perform religious duties when others are playing , is in itself a special thing ...... Why should they be doing special things ... based on a religion ???.
A secular state does not mean a state without religion. It means all religions/non religious beliefs will be respected. Accomodation for religious beliefs is a corner stone of Canadian Constitution.
Infact there is a provision in TDSB guidelines not to have tests and other important events on days which are designated holidays for different religions. So if you are a hindu, you can ask the school not to have a test on Diwali as you will be taking a day off. Now this is an example of religious accomodation and not one of segregation.
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Originally posted by puttoo
As regards with the accomodation provided by the school, it is based on the guidelines that Toronto Board has set for all its schools. These guidelines on religious accomodation are available to ALL RELIGIONS !!!!!! Here is a link to the report http://www.tdsb.on.ca/wwwdocuments/programs/Equity_in_Education/docs/Guidelines%20and%20Procedures.pdf and please read the annexure which provides the kind of accomodation available to ALL RELIGIONS.
This accomodation for a space for prayer is available to hindus too. It talks about the importance of Saraswati puja in the morning for hindus and lays down guidelines for providing space for this. Now no one is using this facility does not mean that you shoud stop others from using this facility too.
The TDSB proved themselves as a bunch of fools with the guide.
If every religious group starts prayers in schools, it will be a big mess.
There will sure be polarization of students based on religion, not a good way to build a harmonious society.
Worse still, what will happen if two groups of students from different religions want to use the room at the same time?
My two cents
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