One more tale of immigrant woes
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Posted on: 01-12-04 11:01:03
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Orginally posted by jake3d
Especially when you are bringing people and topics from all over into any and all posts you fancy just because you feel lonely and want to engage/bait others to give you some attention?
Do you even know what you are babbling??
I have no intentions of “baiting” and neither do I do that. And then even if you think I am trying to bait YOU, and if you do take it, what does that show??
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Orginally posted by jake3d
Or we can continue with this mindless game and talk about the topics like ex-spouse/neighbours/employer etc. Game? After all you do want to know what I am really talking about
Man are you weird?!? It is YOU who without any reason, and out of nowhere start this gibberish about “topics like ex-spouse/neighbours/employer etc.”, and now YOU ask me whether we can continue??
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Orginally posted by jake3d
BTW: since you bring it up...(like you actually posted) is not a confused icon...tsk!tsk!. For someone who dotes so much on smiley's you seem to be losing your touch.
What a magnificent find!! I am speechless! I fall vanquished before you O’ Great One!!
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Orginally posted by BlueLobster
So I'm saying that simply replacing the immigration system with a h-1 like system will fix one issue and create others.
Quite possible! Maybe there is no perfect system! The purpose is to have the lesser of the two evils.
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Orginally posted by BlueLobster
I never said every post has to be of tangible value. Just putting forth my opinion that this form of protest alone will not bring about change. You can keep your fingers crossed if you want to though.
No. I think you very categorically stated that the posts should have some “help” value.
To this from me:
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Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic
Did I make any claim that it was supposed to help anybody? Are ALL posts on this board written ONLY to help somebody?? Am I forbidden to ONLY write WIHOUT wanting to help??
This is what you said:
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Aboslutely.
As I said, if people make statements about me based on impressions, I will defend them only if and when they matter! So, for the moment, I will let your other comments and observations about me pass.
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Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic
What a magnificent find!! I am speechless! I fall vanquished before you O’ Great One!!
Chill! I accept your submission. Are you prostrate?
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Orginally posted by BlueLobster
Yes, it does the job matching. What about disadvantages though?
1) People cannot file for immigration on their own anymore. You have to rely on corporations or Mamas.
2) If you lose your job and don't find another one within a few weeks, get out of our country!
3) Whoever sponsors your greencard pretty much has you by the neck. Get ready to get exploited.
4) You can't buy property, have to pay FULL taxes, yet get no benefits in return, healthcare is subject to whether your employer provides it and so on and so forth...
Why look at the negatives which are in a significant minority?
Look at the Positive side that it provides a Job (which the current system in Canada doesnt Quarantee, to say the least). The negatives you mention are more than made up by the fact that a livelyhood can be made in one's own field.
Sure after the Bust things are different. The Quota has been reduced Yet filled up. People have been flustered, displaced etc....Many went back to India, some came to Canada. The Vast Majority stayed put. A Lot of people on H1 did get their Green Card. Any way I dont want this discussion to become a defence of US and the H1 system. Its a dynamic system in that it changes as per needs and if needed to plug the loopholes.
Point No. (2) -- Isnt it good that when a person loses a Job, He has to leave (not all do, frankly) than continue say in a Temp/min wage Kind of Job?
So Work Permit System ===> A Very Very Good guarantee of Job in Ones own field.
PR Skilled Category System ===> "At best" a fair chance. At its worst it is anything worse than the work permit system since it keeps alive false hopes.
I feel both terrible but sort of fortunate to work where I work because i would never have known first hand what goes on in the immigrant community and what their struggles and priorities are.
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So I'm saying that simply replacing the immigration system with a h-1 like system will fix one issue and create others.
Of course not, I am not saying to implement the system exactly like in USA. You would have to adapt it to Canadian needs.
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Now when you talk about citizens and immigrants "stepping in", you have to come up with something tangible. Its just time-pass otherwise.
We are all doing it. On this forum I have Just yapped. Outside I have helped a few people and counting as best as i could. Which is not a whole lot But I did it.
Since i sense a locking coming up on this thread
, I will say no more.Ok last point, Why is their even a Work permit system in Canada along with a skilled category immigration? Doesnt that create more problem running 2 systems in parallel which have the same goal?
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I once made a mistake, but I was wrong about it.
Why are you equating job = immigration?
Immigration is much more than a job.
If you are primarily interested in job opportunities in your field, then you should go the work permit route.
Canada also has a work permit system, similar to the US H-1B.
Every year, thousands of foreign workers use the work permits to work in Canada.
May not be IT workers, may be bricklayers, masons, etc. but they are workers, nevertheless.
Again, like the US GC, a person on work permit can apply for PR using the approved job and the process is slightly easier (no proof of funds required, extra points, etc.).
So Canada already has a system somewhat similar to the US.
The difference is that unlike the US, Canada allows someone living abroad with no basis in Canada to apply for immigration.
But then, you should understand the difference between immigration and job oppourtunities.
There are a lot of people who move to Canada for reasons other than job.
And I am not talking of people fleeing third-world countries or refugees.
For example, there are a lot of people who move from the UK to Canada.
For them, the motivation is a better quality of life, such as more wide open spaces, better environment, better health, and so on.
They give up their jobs in the UK and start from scratch in Canada.
Also, their job opportunties were better in the UK because they have the freedom to work anywhere in the EU.
You may argue that they have an advantage because of their culture, language, colour of skin, etc.
But they fact is that immigration is not equal to job.
If you are primarily interested in job opportunities in your field, you should go the work permit route.
Most countries in the world have work permit programs.
P.S. when I say "you", I don't mean any particular person. I use it as a general term.
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Orginally posted by mercury6
Why look at the negatives which are in a significant minority?
Our views on this are obviously different. Taking away people's ability to immigrate themselves and tranferring it to corporations isn't a "significant minority" negative to me. Its a HUGE drawback.
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Isnt it good that when a person loses a Job, He has to leave (not all do, frankly) than continue say in a Temp/min wage Kind of Job?
Are you sure? I mean say I've been in the states for 4 years, bought a bunchload of things and settled down psychologically. All of a sudden, the company I work for either fires me or files for Chapter 11. I have to now return my leased car, give away my apt. (possibly lose the deposit), sell off my stuff ASAP and move back to India!!
I would MUCH rather do a temp/low-wage job in this case while seeking a job in my field.
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Ok last point, Why is their even a Work permit system in Canada along with a skilled category immigration? Doesnt that create more problem running 2 systems in parallel which have the same goal?
Maybe. But tell me this though. If the work-permit system already exists, why are so many people choosing the immigration path?
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Orginally posted by Manasvi
Pen in mightier than the sword they say ....................
And I thought the Press helps just by bringing the facts 2 light which incidentally TO Star seems 2 b doing ........ Its only when the Press uncovers the reality the Govt is forced 2 act . They have done their bit . What more do u expect out of them ??
Just like those who r voicing their concerns on this board either in favor or against r doing their bit . U dont expect the Govt 2 invite us 2 form the Immigration policy . We can just publicise it so that the Govt may realise the loop holes & try n plug them .
And may be some day the Govt invites CDs asking their opinion .... lol.... m sure we wont back out then !!
No kidding but it does take time n effort in posting r thoughts on the board and we do spend a considerable time ....... Do u mean 2 say that it all s a waste and a fantasy ?? I think all of us including Crenshaw and DTC have come out with tips & advices for new comers .................... from which they can derive the on-ground- realities ............... at least curtailing more damage or bringing in more whichever way it may be .
If voicing concerns and writing on this board is fanciful and meaningless then I wonder about the objective behind his Board and the site ?????
Manasvi .
Manasvi, you're taking my statements out of context. CD has proved an extremely useful forum to a lot of people. I of all people should know.
I never said its all a flight of fancy. Quite the contrary. I'm just saying at this point in time , CD does not have enough clout to affect govt. policy. Its just an observation, nothing more.
Voicing concerns on this site is great. My disagreement was against DTC's unwarranted statement that I was against "whiners" and the notion that success stories here are "fake" and "second/third hand". Both the statements are absolutely false.
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We can just publicise it so that the Govt may realise the loop holes & try n plug them .
There I disagree. That's a rather simplistic view of things in my opinion. Its just my opinion though and honestly, I hope I'm wrong on this.
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