Why do all Professionals want to come to Canada?
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Posted on: 26-10-04 10:10:01
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Orginally posted by crenshaw
Do all / substantial majority of new immigrants come to live in the buildings around you? If even 10% of new immigrants were to come to live in the buildings around you, those buildings would need to have a capacity of 20,000 people! In any event for the people who do, I’m sure hearing all of your sob stories, it makes it a lot easier for those people to assume that things are really bad in Canada and take up menial jobs when they could have planned and got into something better.
I will go by thumb rule, as any gujju business man would do before start thinking on a business. Why you are the only person on CD arguing that sucess is a formula in Canada. Do you feel that all other CD members are here for a joke.
I will wait for you to accept the situtation in Canada.
for BL: do you find anywhere in my message a direct remark on crenshaws ability. Why do you allow him to walk away with comments like sob stories. Or is he over you to decide other CD member, comments are opinions or personal sob stories.
This place has started to stink by biased group........
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Orginally posted by jago_desi
I will go by thumb rule, as any gujju business man would do before start thinking on a business.
Good for you. However, if you want to present your thumb rule as fact on a public forum, expect that you will be challenged.
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Orginally posted by jago_desi
Why you are the only person on CD arguing that sucess is a formula in Canada. Do you feel that all other CD members are here for a joke.
Never said that ‘success’ is a formula!
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Orginally posted by jago_desi
for BL: do you find anywhere in my message a direct remark on crenshaws ability. Why do you allow him to walk away with comments like sob stories. Or is he over you to decide other CD member, comments are opinions or personal sob stories.
This place has started to stink by biased group........
Jago_desi,
Yes, for a change I don't notice anything in your remarks about Crenshaw's abilities. But can you please tell me what there is to disallow about "sob stories"? Enlighten me. Its not a polite remark, granted, but if we start policing stuff like this, you'd have been banned way back (Aren't you the same guy who just a few days back accused me and Crenshaw of being the same person? Now you want me to put reins on him??)
And how convenient. When numbers (that I myself believe are grossly exaggerated) aren't challenged, this forum becomes an "ideal place", a "true picture" and so on and so forth. Now that someone's challenging your contention, it has started to "stink by a biased group".
If you cannot stand the heat of the argument, better not argue. And if you're so firm on your conviction on the situation here in Canada, stand your ground and make your point. I cannot and will not interfere until I feel a certain line has been crossed.
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Orginally posted by BlueLobster
Jago_desi,
Yes, for a change I don't notice anything in your remarks about Crenshaw's abilities. But can you please tell me what there is to disallow about "sob stories"? Enlighten me. Its not a polite remark, granted, but if we start policing stuff like this, you'd have been banned way back (Aren't you the same guy who just a few days back accused me and Crenshaw of being the same person? Now you want me to put reins on him??)
And how convenient. When numbers (that I myself believe are grossly exaggerated) aren't challenged, this forum becomes an "ideal place", a "true picture" and so on and so forth. Now that someone's challenging your contention, it has started to "stink by a biased group".
If you cannot stand the heat of the argument, better not argue. And if you're so firm on your conviction on the situation here in Canada, stand your ground and make your point. I cannot and will not interfere until I feel a certain line has been crossed.
We cannot stick to the number issue to define success of immigrant in Canada. Be it 70% or 80%, you guys are using this as a yard stick for eastablishing a point. I know 40 people in Canada who are desi and immigrants. And I feel it is a reasonable figure to form a judgment. At personal level, how big is your group circle. You will find statistics to be same among your circle too.
Anyway a few statistic listed by cic.gc.ca http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/times-int/2003-Q3/02-skilled.html for the process time for skilled categary immigrant. Note the percentage shown in each column.
First column is 30% (all application that we assume), but 2nd (50% of applications that total to 80%), 3rd( should be 20% remaining but it is 70%) & 4th column( is this column required). Can you make sense of this statistics. If I want a graphical representation, how will I do it for this survey. My point is, if a huge efficient machinery is curning out figures, why cannot we state figures. Had cic listed 70% or 80% figure, it was accepted no matter haw they achieved to it. But similar judgement of a desi member is not acceptable here.
Anyway you are cic.gc.ca for us at this forum. Whatever you say is reasonable.
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Here's a site you guys may want to visit. I am sure there are many other sites, but lunch time for me nowadays is twiddle-thumb period, so i just surf. Make of it what you wish.
http://www.fims.uwo.ca/newmedia/immigrants/facts.htm
Desimisri
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You might have to wait till 2005 to see how things have progressed since then as it is an ongoing study.
Desimisri
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Orginally posted by jago_desi
We cannot stick to the number issue to define success of immigrant in Canada. Be it 70% or 80%, you guys are using this as a yard stick for eastablishing a point. I know 40 people in Canada who are desi and immigrants. And I feel it is a reasonable figure to form a judgment. At personal level, how big is your group circle. You will find statistics to be same among your circle too.
Who's "you guys"? Me? I've never used the 70/80 percent number, only protested it. I know for a fact its not accurate. So its not "we guys" who used these numbers, its "you guys" (whatever that means
)My personal circle's pretty big and I'd say about 90% of the people are gainfully employed and happy here. Many of them miss India, but not out of frustration in Canada, they miss India out of fondness for so many things Indian. I do too, very much at times.
Don't assume here that I only associate with people who have jobs because I don't. Last year, I used to pick up a tiffin everyday from a place where new immigrants used to arrive every month (they had a mini-hostel setup there). Made friends with 4 of them and we used to hang out on the weekends. They were all looking for jobs at the time and doing odd jobs to survice. Fast forward to now, 3 out of 4 guys are working in their fields (I'm going to ask them to post their stories in the success stories section soon). The one guy who's unemployed actually had a job in his field but got laid of recently and is now looking again.
Let's talk about something else. I live in a Condo in Mississauga. I'd say the population in the Condo is around 60-70% desis (maybe more). Every day when I leave for work, the elevator is full of desis who're leaving for work too. I never asked anyone but by the way they dress and carry their stuff, its obvious to me that they're not going to clean toilets.
Since I see all this, do I now assume that EVERYBODY or 80% of immigrants are employed and happy in Canada? Not at all. I've met enough new immigrants to know that that is not a fact. So by the same token, I would appreciate it if you don't assume that 80% are doing labour jobs just because the majority of people you know are struggling with odd-jobs.
I have never denied that Canada is a tough market to penetrate, especially for people in certain professions. At the same time, the projection that its some kind of an impossible hell-hole is preposterous. That's the only suggestion that guys like myself, Crenshaw, Jake, MI and others are protesting. Don't see what's so wrong about that.
p.s. - You have every right to protest my view so long as we stick to the point. I'm not CIC and really, I hate stats. I'll leave the number crunching to accountants like Crenshaw, Manasvi, Chandresh et al.
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