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Orginally posted by soberflier

Hello Jago desi Sahab

Please dont make such a blunder of sending that to anyone unless s/he's totally devoid of brains. Those guys whom you send it to would probably die laughing.

For example as the much liked post says

1. "who have a reasonably successful career in their home country"

How is success to be measured ? 1 lakh a year ? 2 lakhs a year ? What about the author - i suppose he wasnt any of these, and yet after he came to Canada and became as he claims this " a middle aged sucessful first generation immigrant" - WOW !

So if Canada gave him so much - after all he was a total write off back in India (as per his own standards) - how come hes one of the top Canada bashers on this site ? Why so negative ?

2. "those who are middle age or over"

I gather (from the author's own post) that the author is 46 years of age now. He came 6 years ago, so he would have been 40 years of age then, and yet he turned into this "wonderful sucessful middle aged first generation immigrant" - why then discouarge others by saying that only people lesser than 30 years of age should consider immigration ?

He should be motivating others with his "success" story.

3. "those who have well paying and reasonably secure jobs back home"

So what is "secure" to be defined as ? Pensionable Government jobs ? Thats typical indian mentality - a clerk in a govt service is secure - "beti ki shaadi govt wale se hi karegey".

Anything else isnt "secure". Correct me if i am wrong. Is there any job where there is total security despite a hundred FUs apart from govt service ?? I really dont think so.

So by that sense even a person making 2 lakhs in a month in a pvt sector isnt "secure" & shouldnt be barred from considering Canada to migrate.

If that be true, why then is there so much of hue & cry when people from pvt sector want to migrate ?

Though i guess it would be futile trying to explain to the author about things like ambition, desire for a better quality of life, striving for something more & better environ as they probably wont mean anything - but heres news - it does to some people- people who arent just after the 1 = 33 factor and saving a chunk of change.

ON once gave some suggestions in a different post as to who would do better in immigration - Yes, what he said made sense and he had the ABILITY to convey it too and convince the other guy.

If you want to caution learn how to do that.

Like theres this preposterous suggestion in this quoted post that those who are not experienced much in any field should come to Canada - Which employer in on this earth in his right mind would give a job to a person whos not got any real worthwhile experience - then hes just an unskilled labourer . Thats a great suggestion Pal Then Toronto = NY= desi cab drivers everywhere.

Dear people, this is a wonderful place to gain insight into Canada-till things like this happen.

All one sees are the same three or four regulars continously posting negative about Canada and yet at the same time they claim to be successful, earning in 6 figures and stuff. I doubt very much and i am sure so does everyone else.

Does it make sense for such "successful" people to crib endlessly Or maybe its their attitude.

There can be two possibilties as i see it for such a post as quoted

(a) if hes really as successful then its plain bad attitude which prompts such posts tsk tsk - while you should be encouraging others with your "success" story.

(b) Or else its a plain case of having failed thereby plain disgusted using this site to vent those feelings.

Theres a difference between trying to caution and posts like "CANADA IMMIGRATION SUCKS" - you cant say that you are "cautioning" with these kind of headings.

Why should anyone whos in Canada, whether a success or not that big a success (first of all the definition of success varies from person to person) expect that JUST BECAUSE HE FEELS THAT CANADA IS NOT WORTH IT - THE RULE SHOULD APPLY TO EVERYONE IN THE WORLD ? WHY ?

WHY DO SOME PEOPLE ASSUME THAT PROSPECTIVE IMMIGRANTS SHOULD TOE THE (NEGATIVE) LINE YOU REEL OUT - AND JOIN YOU WITH A GASP -SAYING "OH MY GOD ! IS THAT SO ? ITS SUCH A DISGUSTING COUNTRY ?? COME TOMORROW MORNING I AM GOING TO THE CHC AND GETTING MY PAPERS BACK". if thats what you really expect - forget it. It aint happening. save your breath.

Another thing, if you feel that you have the RIGHT to negate, i am sure by those standards the others who are in the process of immigrating have a right to a positive feed - not because it is a tit for tat game being played on the forum - but BECAUSE ITS THE ONLY RIGHT THING FOR THAT PERSON TO DO ELSE IF A PERSON WHOS ON HIS WAY COMES WITH AN ENEMICAL ATTITUDE WHICH SUCH POSTS GIVE BIRTH TO - BY WAY OF FORMING A BIAS, THAT ALONE WILL DEBAR HIM FROM GETTING A JOB EVEN IF HE HAD BEEN CAPABLE OF GETTING ONE EARLIER.

These gentlemen have to realise that they are doing a lot of harm unknowingly. Also please realise that the people who are coming are GROWN UP MATURE PEOPLE - immigration isnt a joke - people have given it serious thought- pooled in their lives resources and staked a claim - let them try- they may succeed while they may not - noones blaming you for that -had they stayed back on with their lives in India i am sure you wouldnt have cared to advice how they led their lives - grant them that much - they have brains too - allow them to think - bring out your experiences especially the bad ones - so that they can compare and period - leave it at that. Dont get cynical.

Would a refugee/ person from Afghanistan, African states, Kabul, Tibet, Bhutan, Nepal, Bangladesh, Myanmar, Sri lanka, Mauritius stop from entering India merely on my saying that bosses usually scream abuses, theres huge scale unemployment, you dont get any value whatsoever for taxes paid, neighbours dont let you play music, people dont help each other, flood/ riots/ disaster/ thefts/ murders/ bribery/strikes/ lockouts/ no work culture/ shabby offices/ pollution/ spitting/ urinating on walls & streets/infanticides are a part of life, doctors are for the most part incompetent and IAS take bribes ? NO !! For him its anyday better than where hes at. S/he would be willing to take a chance here than where s/he is at present.

And just give it deep thought - why did you go ? For the same very reaons why shouldnt others try too ?

Canada is that for India - the UN & urban group 2001 states that the level of income clasified by the developing/ third world countries as "middle income group" is upto 60 % lower than the "low income group" of Developed countries ( the report was for natural disaster management in countries with case studies)

To the ever negative gentlemen, Last i heard, God was still at his job, the place is taken. So it would be a great help if people just post their experiences- good & bad - and let the others draw their conclusions.

Regards

SF

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Orginally posted by crenshaw


Terrific post SF, can't help but agree. Find it tough to understand why some of these guys like to discourage people so much, while they themselves stick on in Canada...........I reiterate, if it was as bad as they make it out to be, they would be on a flight out!

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Try overtaking child's imagination

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Are you trying to suggest that Soberflier and Crenshaw are one and the same person? BL as Moderator you might want to confirm that this is not the case.

This character (JD) seems to have nothing to contribute to a discussion.........therefore the insinuation...........absurd!

Yeah, I can confirm that they're not the same. In fact, one's in India and one's in Canada so they'd have to have the Star Trek transmitter to swtich countries that quick.

But really, you don't need to see IP addresses to figure that out , all you need is a reasonable command over English and some basic analytical skills. Their delivery is so different, I don't see how one can think they're both the same.

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Are you there?

Hello BL, Crenshaw and JD

I am ME

Regards

SF

One is in India? Who? He speaks with great command about whats going on in Canada....

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I once made a mistake, but I was wrong about it.

Thanks BL, Hi Sf.

Mercury, explain yourself.

Sf, do you 'speak with great command about what's going on in Canada'?