jake3d   
Member since: Sep 03
Posts: 2962
Location: Montreal

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 23-10-04 17:22:58

Quote:
Orginally posted by jago_desi
DiogenestheCynic,
In this forum you will find successful desi have deep roots in foreign land before landing in Canada. They have countries like UK or USA etc but not India or Pakistan or Bangladesh.......on their resume.
This whole discussion is for people who have worked all their life in India or Pakistan and do not get accepted here at par.
You have braught a reasonable point to analyse chances of success in Canada.




Wrong! I had ONLY indian exp. Not that I expect it to make any difference to your stance :)


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jake3d   
Member since: Sep 03
Posts: 2962
Location: Montreal

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 23-10-04 17:24:14

Quote:
Orginally posted by the-entrepreneur
share your experiences, none of the successful people is sharing their experiences on this forum. When I come out and do that another of the negative posters picks and says that "you are making your own example as standard for everyone".

Above by Crenshaw
......



Been there done that :D


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the-entrepreneur   
Member since: Jul 04
Posts: 190
Location: Mississauga

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 23-10-04 17:52:07

S'up CDs,

Check this site out. It is the world famous London based "the Economist"'s site. Their intelligence unit rates IIM of Ahmedabad as no 64
in the world where MBA schools are concerned

http://mba.eiu.com/index.asp?layout=2002rankings


I just went over it with a cursory glance but could not find any Canadian institute above this.
Please let me know if there is any Can institute. Many heads are better than one.
If not , hooray. i always was of the notion that our IIM schools are better than the schools here in Can. if not let me know how many Can institutes beat IIM of Ahmedabad.I appreciate your help.
In one of the categories, IIM was rated numero uno! Then Dartmouth, then Kelloggs.
Way to hustle.
BKB


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jago_desi   
Member since: Sep 04
Posts: 591
Location: canada

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 23-10-04 18:45:07

Quote:
Orginally posted by crenshaw

Quote:
Orginally posted by Manasvi
Personally I feel that ins trend of ridiculing others on their langauage or trying to supress them by mocking gibing is unhealthy v/s providing logical arguments politely . Hot words /statements tend to flare up the senses .I aint the only one to observe this .


My arguments have been made forcefully, I have had to be impolite where it was warranted
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You are honest in your judgement but do not sound neutral
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This may be unintentional but the way you guys provoke people like me by following a pattern. One guy comes out and says Crenshaw must be unemployed or says share your experiences, none of the successful people is sharing their experiences on this forum. When I come out and do that another of the negative posters picks and says that "you are making your own example as standard for everyone".

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You have developed a feeling of superiority, beacuase you are successful?????
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Quote:
Orginally posted by Manasvi
Raising your voice doesnt meanyou can supress facts . You may be very \"successful\" by your own rights .That doesnt belittle others. If something has worked for you and not worked for 10 others who is the rule and who is the exception . You termed my sample survey of 20 people as being unrealistic and yet quote your own example as a "standard" . Double standards eh?



Raising voice? Do I use CAPS in all of my discussions? Or do you hear me somehow.......maybe you 'hear voices'.
Quote:
Orginally posted by Manasvi
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If you like hoenst opinion......Volume and tone go hand in hand.....your tone is rude...
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They certainly don't. However, we live in a democracy, the government cannot take these immigrants and force prospective employers to hire them. The job applicant has to present his skills appropriately for a prospective employer to hire him. Sadly a lot of South Asian immigrants lose out on this.
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Yes CIC cannot force employers to hire them but if you are unemployed for a periode of more than 6 months and are claiming EI then they have a programme called subsidised wages programme. Employer is offered incentive to hire you for specified period.
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Quote:
Orginally posted by Manasvi
But I wonder would an IIT Grad / REC Grad be recognised in the US ?? I think yes coz they are job specific . Why isnt the same education recognised in Canada ??



If there is an IIT / REC grad sitting unemployed in Canada, he's free to go across the border to the US to look for a job. If he's still unemployed in Canada, it means no one is willing to employ him in the US either.

Quote:
Orginally posted by Manasvi
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Now, how can you speak of IIT / REC grad when you are not yourself.
Please tell us your experience, how to cross border easily.
Is getting a job in your field make you an expert to advice for all fields????
This tone I have narrated above!!!!
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Five years is a long period for the Canadian Employers to understand the worth of Indian qualifications and expereince and if they refuse to do so still then they are probably using it as a pretext .



Where did you come up with five years?
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OK, we would say number of years experince with employees of your ability. Is that justified???
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crenshaw   
Member since: Sep 04
Posts: 914
Location: Toronto

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 23-10-04 23:30:50

Quote:
Orginally posted by the-entrepreneur

S'up CDs,

Check this site out. It is the world famous London based "the Economist"'s site. Their intelligence unit rates IIM of Ahmedabad as no 64
in the world where MBA schools are concerned

http://mba.eiu.com/index.asp?layout=2002rankings


I just went over it with a cursory glance but could not find any Canadian institute above this.
BKB



Hey BKB

Schulich at York U is rated no. 22.......

Incidentally, if you read thru the details of the ranking, while IIM-A was number 1 on a couple of counts, it was number 100 out of 100 on the following:

- Personal development and educational experience
- Student quality
- Student diversity (was to be expected since all students are Indian)
- Increase in salary
- Final salary

In particular I found the fact that it ranked last on personal development and educational experience to be worrying!

Cheers

Cren



Manasvi   
Member since: Sep 03
Posts: 733
Location: Bahrain

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 24-10-04 01:39:47

Hi and G Morning again ,

Thanks for your success stories guys . Big thing for prospectives !!

Ok I might have mis read you Jake and thanks for your recent comments . Yes I also hold this view that Canada is risky venture where few out of the whole make it big .The higher the risk , the higher the gains as they say.I agree with determination and focus you can drill through stone but I thought we were discussing the present scenario & prevailing conditions .

Crenshaw - I ve made my points & if I begin I guess I would re do the whole thing. I ll leave it for the readers to decide now .

As per IIM s rating I had read somewhere that the guys who score 95 percantile and above in the GMAT (candidates whom the top 10 American Univ s including Stanford ,Harvard & Keloggs would like to have ) cannot claim of a clear through the CAT . Is it true guys that we have more potential n callibre in IIT / IIM than in Harvard / MIT ??

And a recent news article I had read suggested that day one Interviews at the IIMs were @ par with US Biz schools as they had the same companies calling .

Manasvi



crenshaw   
Member since: Sep 04
Posts: 914
Location: Toronto

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 24-10-04 06:41:27

Quote:
Orginally posted by Manasvi

Yes I also hold this view that Canada is risky venture where few out of the whole make it big .



Jake, note the use of the word also. This guy just wants to believe that you 'agree' with him!

I quote Jake where he says "Since I am looking at your attitude more than your educational qualifications and experience, I agree completely that you are better off wherever you are."

That's what Jake agreed to!

Quote:
Orginally posted by Manasvi
Crenshaw - I ve made my points & if I begin I guess I would re do the whole thing. I ll leave it for the readers to decide now .



You make it sound so dramatic!

Manasvi, its obvious that we hold opposite viewpoints - you are going to hold on to yours and I will hold on to my mine. Be aware though, that I will continue to challenge you on any unsubstantiated generalizations that you make.

Quote:
Orginally posted by Manasvi
As per IIM s rating I had read somewhere that the guys who score 95 percantile and above in the GMAT (candidates whom the top 10 American Univ s including Stanford ,Harvard & Keloggs would like to have ) cannot claim of a clear through the CAT . Is it true guys that we have more potential n callibre in IIT / IIM than in Harvard / MIT ??



Oh well, oh well, I see that you have now moved on from making unsubstantiated comments about Canadian immigration to making unsubstantiated comments about US b-schools! You say that you 'read somewhere' that "guys who score 95 percantile (sic) and above in the GMAT (snip) cannot claim of (sic) a clear through (sic) the GMAT". Unfortunately, you couldn't provide us a link to where you read this, to enable us to 'enrich' our knowledge.

On the basis of the information that I can see however, the study quoted by BKB above ranked IIM-A last of the top 100 on 'student quality'! So much for 95%!!!!

Quote:
Orginally posted by Manasvi
And a recent news article I had read suggested that day one Interviews at the IIMs were @ par with US Biz schools as they had the same companies calling .



But in terms of salary, they were 100 out of 100.........




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