This story and the author of this story are doing nothing but spewing garbage for their own failure in Canada -- that I notice in his own language, desperation and hatred seems to demonstrate his cause for failure. He simply lacks ambition, optimism and attitude.

My parents came here in 1970, when the situation was alot worse. The desi community here was very sparse, indians were immediately looked down upon as 3rd class citizens, racism was rampant and the laws and constitutions that encourage multiculturalism that exist now did not exist then. Both my parents are Engineers (Aerospace), and initially started in Canada for the first few years working in labour jobs (construction and plastic) before they finally landed engineering positions. Sometimes, it is your own initiative and drive that gets you anywhere. If you expect the entire world to be handed to you on a platter, you're wrong. They took it upon themselves to get re-training and certifications from *Canadian* institutions to supplement their existing degrees as a basis that even within the Canadian community, their education and skills are competitive. Most employers in Canada, want to see how you compare to Canadians on their own turf, not what you're just educated in.

This is a common mistake made by many immigrants to Canada. They automatically assume that their degree in their field are automatically equivalent to those of Canadian degrees. Employers do not know of their equivalencies, many of them are unfamiliar with the institution and reputation of that institution you've graduated from, your country of origin and the difficulty of your education. So many of them, simply just prefer to hire Canadian graduates, because they are familiar with them -- not because they are assumed to be better educated, posess better degrees or because their education is of higher quality.

The best way to go about this obstacle is not to re-educate yourself in your field/degree, but to pick up certifications/diploma IN *CANADA* (not in India, big big mistake!) to supplement your degree, such that you can demonstrate to the employer that you have succeeded in a Canadian educational environment with canadian competition, from a Canadian institution they may be familiar with, such that your degree and education you posess from your country of origin may also then be validated.

As for his claims with regards to getting admission into Universities and Colleges as impossible. That's a blatant lie. I know of many people from India who are doing their post-Grad in Canada and had no problem of getting in, after they submitted their transcripts and GPA scores from India. In fact, the majority of post-grad programs in Universities in Canada are filled by a majority of Immigrants, specifically from India and China.

As for Canadian education and the high-school system being of low-quality. I simply do not agree. I went through the primary, middle and highschool system of Ontario I don't feel as though my education was of substandard, I guess I wouldn't have graduated with a Bachelor of Electrical Engineering (Honours) from a Canadian University, as well as having a significantly higher GPA than those of VISA Students from India, whom went through the highschool system in India.

It's extremely funny when people use the "grammar excuse" as their fundamental claim why the education system in India is better.

Yes, our grammar may be poor but generally it is a known fact that if you are *taught* english, you are taught grammar. Most people whom are born and raised here are not taught english, they pick up english the way it is spoken by the majority as they grow up (from the educated and the uneducated). Grammar is taught in schools here, but not extensively because the mainstream of people generally write and speak as the way their media and society influences them -- it's moreso a cultural irony and not an educational one.

If one was taught to speak and write in Hindi (even if it was a white guy), he too would probably possess better grammatical and other language skills than a native Hindi speaker, because as in India -- people also speak their own flavour of Hindi as well, and the same could be said about those people!

Mind you, I should also point out the fact that Education in Canada is free until Post-Secondary. This also gives an equal oppurtunity for people of all financial classes to get an education and compete in school and have a chance to qualify for post-secondary education. The same is NOT true for India, where education at certain levels even before Post-Secondary is by fee-basis and where the majority of schools that are even considered worth of quality are top-government and private schools that are generally accessible to the fortunate. Yeah, I mean if you were to *pay* for high-school education in Canada, you could be assured that your quality would also be guaranteed to be high because you are *PAYING* for it directly out of your pocket. The writer is comparing apples and oranges, the public education system of Canada (that is free) and pretty much the private english-medium schools of India (that you pay for). If it was a fair analysis, compare private schools of Canada with private schools of India and then come back to me.

Yeah so what if he handed out 10,000 resume's, there's probably a thousand more people out there doing the exact same thing, whom at the same time may be better educated, qualified and experienced than him. That is not effort, that is called shooting in the dark. It's an aimless approach and generally it does not work. Does he also really expect us to believe that all 10,000 of his resume's contained their own unique and targeted cover letter? (which by the way, most employers are looking for. They immediately filter out those that have a tendency to be generalized and irrelevant).

I was born and raised here, I don't feel as though my upbringing was a waste whatsoever. He lived here five years and expects the world to be handed to him on a platter. I know people who've came to Canada with less money, less oppurtunity and menial education whom are doing great, debt-free, own their own homes and have no problem raising their children here.

His individual experience should not be considered the basis of all experiences. I've been here for almost 24 years, and I can tell you after travelling abroad on various occasions to the UK, USA, France, Middle-East and India. There is no other country in this pool that can even compete with the standard of life and welfare of their citizens than Canada.

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This story and the author of this story are doing nothing but spewing garbage for their own failure in Canada -- that I notice in his own language, desperation and hatred seems to demonstrate his cause for failure. He simply lacks ambition, optimism and attitude...........................( i didn't read beyond this)
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Tell me then what is success and how many are successful? let us hope positive by changing life of scientist, doctors who work in coffee shops . can we do that!!!!!!!!!!!! I think we need to understand things logically, not to just live under brain wash and illusion. May be some people are real happy by joing lavalife ha..ha.... Not everyone can do that.... There is something real beyond the dream life.

Mind you, I should also point out the fact that Education in Canada is free until Post-Secondary. This also gives an equal oppurtunity for people of all financial classes to get an education and compete in school and have a chance to qualify for post-secondary education. The same is NOT true for India, where education at certain levels even before Post-Secondary is by fee-basis and where the majority of schools that are even considered worth of quality are top-government and private schools that are generally accessible to the fortunate. Yeah, I mean if you were to *pay* for high-school education in Canada, you could be assured that your quality would also be guaranteed to be high because you are *PAYING* for it directly out of your pocket. The writer is comparing apples and oranges, the public education system of Canada (that is free) and pretty much the private english-medium schools of India (that you pay for). If it was a fair analysis, compare private schools of Canada with private schools of India and then come back to me.

Your last statement- I am coming back to you but only on one school of India - J.P Petit school in Mumbai - one of the best all girl schools in India against Bishop Strachan school in Toronto considered I am told the best all girls private school in Canada- you would know better.

In 2001 Narayan Murthy of Infosys, to commemorate his new office in Tornto decided to pit girls of these two schools together in 3 fields, General Knowledge, Math and English. No guesses as to which school won - The J.P. Petit girls ( my child is ex J.P. Petit) came back triumphant to Mumbai saying there wasn't any competition to even talk about. They were more ecstatic about having had the chance to come to Toronto than having beat the Canadians because it was a foregone conclusion even before they left India.
The same happened in 1999 against Philips Exeter academy- one of the top US private schools. Murthy again sponsored a competition between Cathedral school - again in Mumbai- against the Americans- this to commemorate his company's listing on the Nasdaq. Who would you have bet on?
The result needless to say is that Mumbai came up tops!

However, a controlled study needs to be done on all private schools before a final decision can be taken. Just two schools in Mumbai against 2 schools in North America isn't good enough.

If you read Makapao's posting- he claims that topic per topic the instruction is better at IIT than at Cal Tech and Univ of Berkeley.

As far as I am concerned- I attended a course here on technical analysis( bollinger bands, japanese candlestix etc). During the course, the teacher actually became my friend and came to me to learn more. He actually told me that I should be giving the lecture on the subject not him. Anyway all I needed was that "ruddi", as some person put it ,so that I could stand up in front of fund analysts and managers and give them the spiel, which I am invited to do now from time to time. Before that certificate, I was not allowed nor invited. Anyway, has to do with some compliance issues. Actually a good thing that it is enforced.


Amchi Mumbai zindabad! it has a quadrillion of drawbacks- but education wise in the top private schools - it is exactly that- tops!

Bambai ka babu

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Hey dudes, that last posting was in response to freestyler's statement but it is meant for all you guys educated in India. Never ever hang down your head in shame. Instead chant

"Zor se chilao aur has
apla education hai jhakas"


Manmohan Singh said we are as good as the best and someday I am sure we will prove we are the best!

BKB

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Freestyler,
I pretty much agree with the rest of your posting, though whether Canada is better than UK or France is questionable in my opinion. Guess it's upto the person really. You being born and bred in Toronto may think that, but from an immigrant's point of view it might be different.

The one big beef that professionals have is that the Canadian embassies and consulates overseas claim they need professionals to work in their capacity here. But the reality is different. A lot of people come here and find they have to requalify. This should be splattered all over the embassies and consulates but it isn't.
Please do not say that the immigrants should do their due diligence and know that they have to recertify themselves here. Like the posters that say Canada needs you, alongside there should be posters that say but you must requalify once you're there and this not in small print.

Anyway, there are tons and tons of things one can mull on sans fin. So I shall end here.

Truck on!

BKB

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BKB,

Canadian Immigration is more or less like a Marlboro ad............

Classic flyers to lure people to buy cigarettes.........but minuature script "smoking is injurious to health".......same way people are fancied by the +ves of Canada and unware of the -ves.

Its all about Marketing ..........to sell Canada or to sell your skills in Canada.......

Canadian govt has suceeding in selling.....but most of the Asian immigrants dont........Don't you agree? U r an exception......


Deep

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U win some...lose some...everything is not justified in this world.

This might be applicable to a first timer going to Canada from India....

What about me..an REC Graduate.......PG from Stanford University.......having 10 years of experience in American Companies in M.E. having handled Billion $ projects.........

Do I still need to " RE CERTIFY" from those third rate institutions from Toronto ?


Deep

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U win some...lose some...everything is not justified in this world.