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Posted on: 21-03-05 14:55:47
I am still at 10,000 per month.
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Orginally posted by jake3d
Since we are being so judgemental...
What would you say about a first gen immigrant, who loves their mother land enough to go back...
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only as long as they get 1.25 lacs?
In that same post I have made a distinction between not WANTING to go back versus wanting but not being able to go back which could be on account of a number of reasons.
In the latter case, my love for my country makes me want to go back. It is just like staying away from parents or from your other loved ones. There are reasons that make you stay away from them. And no, it is not for you or anybody else to comment on the "validity" or "adequacy" of those reasons! That is something that is different for every individual. But to say that I do not even WANT to be with my loved one(s) implies something else. Loving my country, or loving my parents does not automatically imply that I have to live with them. I could love them but still not be able to live with them. But the day I say that I do not want to live with either, I am automatically implying that I do not love them.
I hope you see the difference.
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Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic
When was this thread about doing something to improve the 'standard of living' in any country? The OP was a simple question about what it would take that would make you want to go back to India.
this thread was not about love for motherland either...so lets not argue
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"For a limited time"??
Nope! If I have enough money, I will not have to deal with dirt, pollution, crime, population,corruption etc. That is where money helps. Does Azim Premji or Kumarmangalam Birla have to deal with dirt, pollution, crime, population,corruption etc.?
The point was that you have to travel on the same roads. Ofcourse a few can travel by choppers to avoid the dirt and shantytowns. I dont have to be a Birla or Premji to avoid those in Canada. Jake3d just has to be Jake3d here
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No. Enjoying luxuries of any kind while I "have to pass a homeless,naked 5 yr old begging on the road" does NOThurt my conscience? Not one bit! Why should it? It is not I who is responsible for the situation of someone else! Please do not confuse empathy with guilt! Yes, I do feel sorry for the poor and hungry, but on no account do I feel guilty. Why will I need to "run away" from anything?
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My life has always been, and in all probability, will always remain better than "those millions who barely manage a measely existence" and so I do not need the 1.25 lacs/m to be better than them. I need the 1.25 lacs/m for myselfto live an enjoyable life in my home country, where I think I can have a much better life than is available to me here.
As you can see...the response from you is applicable to you only. The notion of 'home country', 'better life' etc are not the same for you OR for me. Nor are our outlook on life the same. Our family suituations are probably not the same either.
I have no problem with you wanting to go back for 1.25 lacs/p.m. I am not asking for any justification from you or for your life philosophy or how you choose to see the world, feel guilt /empathy or the calls of conscience. I do not judge you. I have not put you above or below me. If anything I've maintained that we are the same.
You are the one who has a problem with how I live my life
and do the above. Or about someone not wanting to go back. Arent you trying to prove you are better ? Maybe you are so. I'm ok with that too.-----------------------------------------------------------------
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Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic
In that same post I have made a distinction between not WANTING to go back versus wanting but not being able to go back which could be on account of a number of reasons.
In the latter case, my love for my country makes me want to go back.
But your 'love' has strings attached. Right?
BTW In my view it('love') comes second to needs so you dont have to explain anything.
You think your 'reasons/needs' are the only justifiable ones? OK
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But the day I say that I do not want to live with either, I am automatically implying that I do not love them.
No body has said that they hated India on this thread. They have their own 'reasons' for not wanting to go back. In my case I'll go back only if the income disparity is lesser...which *I THINK* will take care of a lot of issues India faces(explained before, lets not go into that again by quoting the lifestyles of the Ambanis and Premjis). Thats probably not going to happen in my lifetime. So my answer would be that I wont go back to India to settle permanently(Never say never tho
)Arent you the only one doing the automatic implying?
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Orginally posted by jake3d
The point was that you have to travel on the same roads. Ofcourse a few can travel by choppers to avoid the dirt and shantytowns. I dont have to be a Birla or Premji to avoid those in Canada. Jake3d just has to be Jake3d here
Whether YOU need to be a Birla or Premji in India or yourself here in Canada is not of relevance. The OP was only a hypothetical question. In response it was said that India has problems of bad roads, filth, pollution etc etc. That was not denied either. However, given an adequate amount of money, a person can afford to remain virtually untouched from any of those issues. And no, you do not need to travel by choppers for that to happen.
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Orginally posted by jake3d
I am not asking for any justification from you or for your life philosophy or how you choose to see the world, feel guilt /empathy or the calls of conscience.
You didn't??
Ummm..
::going back and reading the posts again::
This one:
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Orginally posted by jake3d
I'll throw the question right back at you phrased in another ways.
Don't you have any conscience sipping martinis and wallowing in five star luxuries when you have to pass a homeless,naked 5 yr old begging on the road(daily) on the other side of the air conditioned glass?
Or this
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Orginally posted by jake3d
How can you live like that(1.25 lacs/p.m) when there is such pressing misery right around you?
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Orginally posted by jake3d
I do not judge you. I have not put you above or below me.
No?
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Orginally posted by jake3d
As far as I can see you just need the 1.25 lacs/p.m. so that you dont have to live like those millions who barely manage a measely existence.
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Orginally posted by jake3d
But your 'love' has strings attached. Right?
I do not know in what simpler way to explain. If a person has to stay away from his parents because his job is located geographically away from where they live, does it mean that his love for them is with strings attached?? You may want to re-examine your own sentence in that light again.
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Orginally posted by jake3d
You think your 'reasons/needs' are the only justifiable ones?
I thought it was just the opposite that I said Shall we go thro it again?
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Orginally posted DiogenestheCynic
And no, it is not for you or anybody else to comment on the "validity" or "adequacy" of those reasons! That is something that is different for every individual.
As I said earlier, the OP was a purely hypothetical question. Given that I was surprised to read some people responding by saying that they would not to go back no matter what!
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Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic
Whether YOU need to be a Birla or Premji in India or yourself here in Canada is not of relevance. The OP was only a hypothetical question. In response it was said that India has problems of bad roads, filth, pollution etc etc. That was not denied either. However, given an adequate amount of money, a person can afford to remain virtually untouched from any of those issues. And no, you do not need to travel by choppers for that to happen.
I thinkit was relevant...since people are trying to say that you do NOT need to have vasts sums of $ in Canada, for issues that one would face daily in India. You do not have to be a birla/ambani. I have never denied that you cannot circumvent the same if you have deep pockets. If you have 'enough money'...those issues will not exist anywhere, even Sierra leone like I explained before(and where another gentleman took my words out of context and said Anil ambain does not have a militia in Bombay)
. Only the definition of 'enough money' changes.
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You didn't??
Ummm..
::going back and reading the posts again::
This one:
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Orginally posted by jake3d
I'll throw the question right back at you phrased in another ways.
Don't you have any conscience sipping martinis and wallowing in five star luxuries when you have to pass a homeless,naked 5 yr old begging on the road(daily) on the other side of the air conditioned glass?
Or this
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Orginally posted by jake3d
How can you live like that(1.25 lacs/p.m) when there is such pressing misery right around you?
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Orginally posted by jake3d
I do not judge you. I have not put you above or below me.
No?
No
. You seem to have special skills in taking things out of context. Those were said to point out that there are 2 sides to the coin and 'conscience' has a different meaning for 2 ppl. It was in response to YOUR judgemental post w.r.t my 'conscience' that you seemed to have a problem(amongst other things
) with.AND to show what I have always maintained:
". According to me we are the same in this respect. " I think you know that already .
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But your 'love' has strings attached. Right?
I do not know in what simpler way to explain. If a person has to stay away from his parents because his job is located geographically away from where they live, does it mean that his love for them is with strings attached?? You may want to re-examine your own sentence in that light again.
Why is 'the job' more important than the parents? Why is it that the person has to be geographically away? Shouldnt the 'love' be enough?
.Note: I'm not saying that the person loves the parents or the country any less when they choose to stay at a different place. There is only one person who makes those 'automatic implications'
. For me its not an issue where one chooses to stay. Accepting Canada as home does not 'Automatically implicate' that one rejects India. Building your own home and living in it does not mean that you do not have feelings for the home you were born in. If the new house makes you feel complete, it IS home! If it does not... you may want to go back to your ancestral house where your heart has always been.I dont see a problem with either way of thinking. What about you
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I thought it was just the opposite that I said Shall we go thro it again?
You did say that its an individual matter...then you go onto 'automatic implications' and how some maust 'hate' their motherland.
Yes probably go through it again...may filter the haze.
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As I said earlier, the OP was a purely hypothetical question. Given that I was surprised to read some people responding by saying that they would not to go back no matter what!
Surprised is understandable. Till you bought in 'love of country'
and began judging everyone who did not have the same 'reasons' to go back or not, as you. Since this has digressed to 2 of us trying to prove an irrelevant point maybe the two idiots can do it via pm
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