calm down "Maleficence"..........

earlier I was also like u shouting at people on this site who hates canada that "go back to india"............
but now I realised one most important thing, neither we can chage their mind, not they can change our thinking.
so no need to say anything bad bout India and nor to canada, just live a kool headed life. let the people do what they want in open fourm, let them burst out their emotions here.

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Learn from past mistakes, Plan for future, Live in Present by Duncan

I am someone who returned to India from Canada after a very short stay of 2 months. But these few months were very painful. Even recollecting these and evaluating the pros and cons are mentally taxing. But I do wish to share these may be of some help to others.
Most of the people who immigrate to Canada, if not all, do so to forget some bad experience or setback in their personal lives. Like career, marital or death of some close family member. But they may find they are unable to start with a clean slate. The problems they were facing in India only get aggravated.
Looking back in this age of super computers, the waiting time from the time one files their papers till they get their visa papers seems to be deliberately stretched. Once they their application, applicants wait for their file no. After this they long for the interview call, which takes anywhere between 12 and 40 months.
Will it not be a wonderful marketing strategy, if you want a 1000 people to jump into the Niagara, all you need is to assemble are the first 10 persons in the queue promising them heaven down the falls, the other 990 may fall in the queue by themselves. To camouflage you can say, the first stage will be to make application for the rope, second stage will to receive the rope(interview), third one tie it around your neck (medicals) and stand in the queue and the final one the millstone (the visa papers) to the free end and the final leap (landing in Canada). At each stage you are thinking about only about the next one. X has received interview call, Y got interview waiver, Z the visa papers itself. None of us will never get back to narrate what happened to us. I am one of the fortunate ones because, my wife with our 2 children got our visa papers along with me. Even though she wanted to resign her job and come along with me with our kids, could not do so for she had to wait for a pending VRS scheme. Thus she had a providential escape. I too get back my old job. I cancelled the visas that my wife and children got.

Why should I narrate such a spine chilling comparison? If Canada, has lots of senior citizens, who cannot work, but have to be provided social security, and again if Canada is in need of lots of people, to do labor jobs, because they can't find anyone to do the same, they can find millions of people in India who are driving trucks and cabs and working as coolies in Bus and Railway stations. Why should they take graduates and post graduates, telling them that Canada is in need of "skilled workers"? All of us are given sheafs of papers and brochures everywhere. You have ERCs which teaches people, what is monitor, what is keyboard etc. but not really any job. As a newcomer, you do not know east or west. You are totally dependent on the goodwill of the people around you. Without a job how do you expect him/her to find a foothold. The sarcastic remark like "DO YOU WANT SOMEONE TO HAND YOU A JOB ON A PLATTER" is the ultimate insult for the newcomer who is drained mentally and physically.

In India we were told, to get a job you need to have SIN card, citizenship card etc. The immigrants mostly people who have family to support go there without a job offer. Their educational qualification is downgraded and their experience made next to nothing because they dont have "Canadian Experience". It is like going to a battlefield with both hands tied. Simply because a few have survived doesn't mean it is the right decision.

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When a person comes back home after a hard day, it is natural that he/she may like to discuss the experiences with the family. Firstly, for merely stating the problem you have to first crystallize your thoughts, and secondly, you get support and advice from family members. Some family members may even point out an entirely different perspective in which the same problem can be viewed.

I think, personally, that Canadiandesi is one such forum, and as usual there is bound to be some bickering in the family. Being kind and understanding could generally go farther than shouting at someone who already has had a hard time.

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Originally posted by Maleficence

People who say India has "oh so high moral standards", "kind people", "culture" and North Americans have none. Well, first off, please, do us a favour and go back to your amazing India. Don't sit here and bitch and moan about stuff.

I don't know about anyone else, but I guess the India I have witnessed throughout my life and the India you guys talk about are 2 completely different places.

The one I see is corrupt, filled with hypocrites and is basically a "Police Raj."

It is disgusting to know that India leads all other nations when it comes to police custodial deaths. Or what about cops beating up couples in parks? Or, a fine of Rs. 500 in Delhi for kissing. Oh my God, 2 people kissing, ooooh, the ultimate sin, lets beat the crap out of the couple.

For your perusal:
http://www.nri-worldwide.com/cgi-local/ts.pl?action=fetch&area=corruptionofindia

Don't forget to read the "Happens only in India", "Shame of India" and other wonderful sections.


And what about the amazing schooling system where corporal punishment is rampant.

I remember having to stay in India for 2 years with my parents when my dad was selected for a research exchange program. I swear, those teachers. I hate those Indian teachers with all my heart.

Am I bitter? You bet.

I am not saying "all" of India is bad, or everything about it is bad. But given the choice of India, where I am linked to by heritage and Canada, where I am linked to by nothing more then their willingness to allow people to come and settle here. I'll choose Canada hands down.


Actually, I'll choose USA and their more market capitalism than Canada's pseudo-socialism.

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Originally posted by ramar2005

You have ERCs which teaches people, what is monitor, what is keyboard etc. but not really any job. As a newcomer, you do not know east or west. You are totally dependent on the goodwill of the people around you. Without a job how do you expect him/her to find a foothold. The sarcastic remark like "DO YOU WANT SOMEONE TO HAND YOU A JOB ON A PLATTER" is the ultimate insult for the newcomer who is drained mentally and physically.

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Maleficence,

First of all you need to watch your language, using these words doesn't help you to prove your point.

You hated India, you left it, that's it. end of thought. Probably you are doing favour to all Indian by staying out of it. & Nobody is asking you to change your views on India.

your experiences of India are bad so you hate it but why can't you accept all other people who are 'sitting, bitching & moaning' here have bad experiences of Canada & better life in India?

With your foul mouth you are giving bad name to Canada too. Reader might think that they might turn into you after coming to this country.

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Originally posted by Maleficence

People who say India has "oh so high moral standards", "kind people", "culture" and North Americans have none. Well, first off, please, do us a favour and go back to your amazing India. Don't sit here and bitch and moan about stuff.

I don't know about anyone else, but I guess the India I have witnessed throughout my life and the India you guys talk about are 2 completely different places.

The one I see is corrupt, filled with hypocrites and is basically a "Police Raj."

It is disgusting to know that India leads all other nations when it comes to police custodial deaths. Or what about cops beating up couples in parks? Or, a fine of Rs. 500 in Delhi for kissing. Oh my God, 2 people kissing, ooooh, the ultimate sin, lets beat the crap out of the couple.

For your perusal:
http://www.nri-worldwide.com/cgi-local/ts.pl?action=fetch&area=corruptionofindia

Don't forget to read the "Happens only in India", "Shame of India" and other wonderful sections.


And what about the amazing schooling system where corporal punishment is rampant.

I remember having to stay in India for 2 years with my parents when my dad was selected for a research exchange program. I swear, those teachers. I hate those Indian teachers with all my heart.

Am I bitter? You bet.

I am not saying "all" of India is bad, or everything about it is bad. But given the choice of India, where I am linked to by heritage and Canada, where I am linked to by nothing more then their willingness to allow people to come and settle here. I'll choose Canada hands down.


Actually, I'll choose USA and their more market capitalism than Canada's pseudo-socialism.

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Originally posted by ramar2005
Most of the people who immigrate to Canada, if not all, do so to forget some bad experience or setback in their personal lives.

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Originally posted by ramar2005
You have ERCs which teaches people, what is monitor, what is keyboard etc. but not really any job.

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